Other intelligent life must coexist, through perhaps NOT as we know it, on Venus
I’m going to try being nice about interpreting this extremely nearby planet Venus that isn’t exactly Goldilocks friendly, much less suitable for our naked frolicking as most replacement Edens are supposed to offer. Keeping this one on-topic as much as possible and allowing for some deductive analogy here or there shouldn’t hurt, although a purely negative response by a serial naysay type of critic can become highly provocative and hard for myself not to return the favor.
Basically the planet Venus seems alive, in more ways than merely geological factors, and this liveliness will take some getting used to, as well as especially frustrating when you’ve been mainstream educated and always told by your peers that the planet Venus is a lost cause.
That truly geothermal plus its unavoidably extra greenhouse hellish environmental unfriendliness doesn’t mean we still can’t go there and take as much metallicity as we like. No doubt the ‘Ove Glove’ is going to become standard issue, as well as wearing a thermal barrier suit that’s probably created by the same “made in China” Ove Glove product that’s upgraded by having been outfitted with its own heat exchanging, so that stepping outside to pee or poop isn’t going to get lethal (just kidding). In other words, applied physics and reasonably good technology is required for surviving this one, as well as the case with most every other off-world location we can think of (including our hellish moon whereas our guys with all of their “right stuff” had no problems nor even any operational indications for getting rid of their surplus body heat and even their Kodak film was sufficiently rad-hard). This is not to say that technological complications and otherwise our having to adapt to that hellish environment of Venus isn’t going to take some extra special efforts whenever going outside of their thermally controlled habitats.
Of course we'll have the usual media gauntlet of jokers and FUD-masters within Usenet/newsgroups and saturated within other public accessible forums that can’t hardly think for themselves, other than to parrot and/or think of ways to discredit and/or trashing and taking advantage of anyone that’s independently making a difference. This sort of mainstream approved opposition will typically insist that any such off-world expeditions (no matters how nearby and/or technically doable) are doomed to failure because our Earth is supposed to be the one and only suitable planet. Usually these individuals are having to hide behind bogus IDs and are kind of out of shape and/or disfigured folks as somewhat physically unhealthy dysfunctionals or shut-ins that often have little or nothing of their own accomplishments to contribute before dieing off at a somewhat early age, so they usually parrot and invoke FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt) as they indulge their clownish way along, taking full credit for their mainstream status quo, plus always in denial of ever having done anything wrong, as well as they so often focus upon destroying all others just for sport.
In spite of this typical gauntlet of mainstream disapproval, it seems off-world mining, processing and exporting those refined and rare elements back to Earth is going to be much less problematic whenever you have unlimited local energy, and of course it only gets way better yet when there are none of the usual naysayers to contend with. Of course we can all see the corporate likes of BP and other Big Energy doing those really stupid and risky sorts of blowout and spillage stuff, because they have absolutely no regard as to human life nor the environment, other than fastidiously put to use within their carefully staged and orchestrated PR campaigns, and for the usual pandering they provide to whatever government regulatory agencies getting in their way or withholding public loot, thereby insuring that in the end we consumers always get to pay for everything. Of course our K12s have been systematically educated or rather indoctrinated as to think otherwise, so that the likes of BP and their puppet government can essentially get unlimited do-overs.
Any such distant exoplanet such as Kepler B22 that offers a potentially Goldilocks hulk worthy Eden of perhaps twice our local gravity is quite naturally going to be interesting to further ponder, although at 600 light years distance is kind of putting that large and supposedly water-world in a kind of no-win situation as far as anything we might seriously consider as a second Earth or Eden worthy of human hulks or perhaps exoskeleton types that have evolved with at least half again the bone and outer shell mass in order to deal with such gravity, not to mention that it’s atmosphere could easily be worth 100 kg/m3 buoyancy plus 125 bar(1813 psi) is going to make most educated folks cringe (not that such pressure and buoyancy can’t be physiologically adapted to).
http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Researchers-propose-system-to-find-life-elsewhere-2292416.php" >http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Researchers-propose-system-to-find-life-elsewhere-2292416.php
"Orphan planets wandering free of any central star could likewise conceivably feature conditions suitable for some form of life,"
From spent solar systems, such inner-galactic items as wandering/rogue planets, planetoids and/or moons could easily amount to 5e12, so there’s really no shortage of those to pick from, and if the innards of Earth isn’t quite what we’d thought it was made of, then perhaps Venus and our moon are each going to be full of surprises too.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/24/earth_core_silicon_perhaps/" >http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/24/earth_core_silicon_perhaps/
In other words, in addition to conventional solar system planets and planetoids to pick from, we should not be so quick as to excluding those of WDs as having been set free. When a main sequence star goes kaput, its planets are gradually released as mostly intact unless the final demise of their star was a sudden nova or mostly certainly when terminated by a supernova event. Fortunately, most stars just manage to sequence out gradually, letting go of their planets because their orbital velocity didn’t slow down enough to stick with their spent star as having lost any significant portion of its original mass. This means there are probably a whole lot more wandering/rogue planets along with their moons and significant planetoids plus bulky asteroids by now than there are stars, and especially as possible accounting if we’re merely including everything of an icy Sedna planetoid and larger class item that’s no longer tidal bound to its original star. The spendy and much delayed JWST should be capable of spotting some of those passing nearby, although the vast majority (at least 99.9999%) of wandering/rogue planets, planetoids and asteroids within our galaxy are going to forever remain as invisible to us, because the volume and distances are simply so great.
Of course any newish acting planet like Venus or perhaps even those geologically active moons of any substantial gas giant will likely be surviving and accommodating their versions of metallicity, plus still capable of hosting complex and even intelligent other life without any local sun. This interpretation of course increases the odds of such other wandering/rogue planets as sustaining complex and conceivably intelligent other life, as being considerably better than most faith-based and politically correct mainstreamers would likely care to admit.
On Dec 5, 7:24 am, Sam Wormley <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 11/27/11 10:10 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
>
> > On Nov 27, 7:53 pm, Sam Wormley<[email protected]> wrote:
> >> How long can something function on Venus?
> > If it's electromechanically rated for full capacity loads at 811K, it
> > should run until something not heat related fails or wears out.
>
> Good Luck with that! Sounds expensive.
Yes indeed, initially those diamond ICs or even cold-cathode vacuum tubes are going to be relatively spendy, as well as most other electromechanical devices will not be cheap, not to mention our having to create spendy composite rigid airships (initially telerobotic) could easily cost us a billion each (not including the cost of getting it there). The relatively cool Venus outpost/gateway or oasis at Venus L2 is also going to be spendy, at perhaps costing at least 250 billion once everything is accounted for accommodating a dozen or more humans that'll have to remain deployed for each 19 month cycle, although getting monthly supplies deployed to Venus L2 shouldn’t be interrupted for near half of each cycle.
A fully manned composite rigid airship might run as little as 2.5 billion (plus its delivery), and a suitable shuttle for getting folks to/from Venus L2 and their composite rigid airship most certainly isn’t going to be cheap. So perhaps spending a trillion dollars should be planned, on behalf of this investment that’ll likely take a good decade in order to accomplish. Though nowadays we seem intent upon casually spending more than twice that much per year on false flag and/or bogus wars, so there really isn’t any shortage of public and private loot, now is there.
Digital imaging (even if using a diamond CCD imager) would likely require active thermal management, although that's certainly not unknown by physics or even insurmountable by existing technology. However, 1 meter or better SAR imaging resolution is certainly within spec of existing technology that doesn’t involve optics or much less care if it’s day or night..
http://www.innovationcooling.com/ICDDatasheet.htm" >http://www.innovationcooling.com/ICDDatasheet.htm
Unlike the mainstream of K12s and higher educated folks that usually claim to always be politically and faith-based correct, plus continually knowing absolutely everything there is to know, whereas I've never once suggested accomplishing a hellish planet like Venus was ever going to be cheap nor easy. The rest of this topic will include references to those extremely unusual looking structures and their potential infrastructure of what either once existed or still exist as some other form of imported or indigenous intelligent life.
If you’d care to further explore the commercial and private exploitation of Venus, then by all means it’s still every bit as good of time as any. However, if for personal safety and job security is why you have to stick within a specified social/political policy and faith-based mainstream closed mindset, then don't even bother yourself to risk that failsafe by actually looking at Venus, unless you do not mind discovering what your peers and their government army of mostly public-funded peers and FUD-masters hasn’t been willing to tell us about such a nearby planet of such terrific metallicity, that’s so geothermally active.
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html" >http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146" >https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en" >http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
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