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I saw what you did with shifty earlier and it was great cos he was being very provocative although I think he's a nice guy as well.

I thought it might be a good idea to talk to you because some of those that I call politico mafiosa, notably Az have been really horrible to me when I have tried to join in serious convos, calling me a troll. I have a wicked sense of humour but i would have thought anyone with half a brain would see through it because I do not go on and on. After the bullying towards me starts I give up although I'm thinking not to do that since Dealer has been bombarding my threads with the smiley.

The majority of my convos are humerous/creative ones which I enjoy being an artist. Although Az really sneered at me for saying I was an artist. You see part of all this stuff going on on hootoo is not just the fault of Shift and Apple but the viciousness of the response from certain people which sets the pattern. For me it all originally started on the 'Pope is not dead' thread. Evil Roy who was involved sent me a kind posting saying how vicious they were and it was uncalled for.

Anyway, its good to talk to someone like you who seems really fair

redpeckham

yes vickie sounds a very fair person ,

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ok i was out of order on some points , but az and her gang love making people feel small worthless,, notice when az is been challaged her fan club aint to far behind backing her up ,she says jump they say how far ..so i can come out of the thread like vickie says and i agree but on the other hand thats letting them win why be bullied by az .

Come on shifty, my fellow footie fan let's just wait and give Vickie a chance to speak

Come on shifty, my fellow footie fan let's just wait and give Vickie a chance to speak , no problem mate

Evil Roy sympathizes

Firstly, I have to say that Az is a friend of mine...so I do have to be careful on what I say here.

I can't really comment on what Az has said as I haven't read the relevant conversations in full. What I can say is that, of late, there have been quite a few "Trolls" in action which is getting everybody's back up. This is the reason I asked Shifty to come out of the thread. He was being labled a Troll and whether fairly or unfairly, others began to agree.

What you have to understand is that most people in "debating" threads have been on hootoo for a long time, (although this doesn't give them the right to take control of certain threads, I admit).

The only thing I can suggest is to approach Az, as you have done me. Both light hearted, but with a certain element of seriousness in there. Perhaps leave her a message appologising for certain actions, but that you felt picked on/bullied and felt like you had to retaliate. Say to her that you didn't actually mean to come across as you did, but perhaps she could give you a second chance. Say that your comments on certain threads are meant to be intellectual, and not just throwing your in for the sake of it.

Say to her that you would like to create friends on hootoo and not alienate them. I think this would be the best course of action.

Az is actually quite a nice person once you get to know her. The whole ethos of hootoo is for a community to come together, and not split apart over what may seem petty arguments.

Now for Apple. I don't know the whole story around this so I don't wish to sound like someone with the "great knowledge", if you get my meaning. Something happened a little while ago with Apple...again, not sure of the story as such although I could find out for you if you like. LOTS of people took offence by what Apple did (original name, Della). This started something called the "Della Wars". People were so offended by what she did that they just can't let things go.

I would suggest not getting involved in conversation that appear to be heading the direction of Della Wars either. These are considered Flaming and certain people have been put on either pre-mod or a temporary ban. The italics imposed this as they didn't like the way the conversations were going.

I'm not suggesting that you are not friends with Apple. That's certainly not my place. If you see something in her that you like, then by all means, keep chatting with her, just try not to get drawn into conversations that may blow up in your face.

If you wish, I could get someone to look into the threads in which you feel you're being got at and a fair opinion can be made as to whether it was partly your fault (as in flaming the conversation), or whether you were in fact the innocent party. I can't comment on that as I said before because I personally haven't read them all.

I'm glad you found me to be fair. That's what an <./>ACE</.> is supposed to be.

If you want to talk further on any of the above, please feel free.

VV

the reason it got fired up at the start is because az and her mates attacked me because of my spelling etc , im sorry like others im not the worlds best with a keyboard ,

now iam all for people with problems of any kind going in threads trying to put there points across , but to be slagged of ,one thing with me is i don't give in to the bullys because that is what they are doing , so if anything thing or person who goes against what az says is a troll ,well thats what it looks like from this side of the fence .

I do understand what you're sayig Shift...

All I can suggest right now is that if you see a posting which seems to be breaking house rules, then hit the complaint button. That's what it's there for (I've used it quite a few times myself )

It can be very easy for people to misjudge on the internet. All you see are words and not the persons face in front of you. Facial expressions are a big way of seeing whether anyone is genuine or not...we don't have that luxury here.

I do empathise in what you say. Don't get me wrong here.

The big moral of the story is, if you feel you're getting bullied, report it and walk away. If a bully has no amunition, they can't attack you with it. When saying this, I'm not agreeing with you that Az is a bully. Far from it. All I can suggest is...give people a second chance on here...for the sake of keeping things peaceful if nothing else.

Hello Baby

Couldn't have said better myself


Mum xx

Thank you Vicki for your reply. I shall give it some thought.

Maybe in the meantime you could have a word with Dealer (good friend of Az) for all of a sudden repeatedly posting the smiley in my threads. One of the threads is called "How are you Red" and was started originally by my longstanding and dear friend Avenging Washcloth in connection with a 'loss' I sufferrred in real life, I consider his/her PERSISTANT behaviour a subtle form of bullying.

If it continues I shall respond in kind. Cos like shifty I believe in standing up to bullies.

Anyway for most of today I shall be getting ready for an art performance with some people which is a big deal for me. Maybe a little real life will help me get things in perspective!!

Yours redpeck

Hiya Redpeck.

I've left him a nice light hearted message in his PS. hopefully we can chat about it and come to the conclusion that it's the right thing to do..


I'd do a crosses fingers smiley, but we don't have one!

Vicki I thought you'd be pleased to know that Dealer and I have sorted things out; I like his sense of humour. If you can connect with people through humour it can go a long way. I sometimes think some of my problems on hootoo stem from not being able to connect with humour, stuff gets misunderstood and before you know it some hostility sets in. I know sometimes I can be a bit provocative, but it's hard to resist sometimes.

Anyway thanks for your help.

VV will be please read this tomorrow.. Well Done!


lil xx

thats good to hear red peck ,

YAY!!!!