h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

After the events that have transpired I have concluded that King isn’t, never was, and never will be a good player. He consistently makes terrible plays with imaginary excuses (Claiming he had outs that he didn’t, or claiming that he didn’t believe someone). This will be the thread where we can all talk about how much we hate King and how bad of a player he is.

I have two events to talk about. The first, and the one that made me the most angry was like this. I was doing fairly well in Goodson’s tourney. I was winning, I was raising good hands and taking most pots down uncontested, and rightly so, I played only very good hands. One time however, I raised with [K9s] from the dealer button. This isn’t a bad raise at all I would like to point out. Anything that you would usually call in middle position is a hand you should raise in late position. Well anyway King noticed my raise with such a semi-good hand and declared that he will no longer give me the respect I deserve. Whatever I say, I only raise good hands in good position so what do I care? A little while later I am happy to see [AA] so of course I raise it, and King of course doesn’t give me any respect and calls me with what else but [K9s]. This is a horrible, horrible call and let me tell you why. Because the WORST hand he has seen me raise is [K9s] which means that right now I most likely have something much better then that, since I am in a much worse position. Also I know that King said he isn’t going to respect me, I have no reason not to believe him so I would naturally not try to bluff someone who is out to get me, as if I would ever bluff pre-flop at all. I am not sure if King actually stupidly thought he could maybe already have me beat, or if he was just out to get me. Anyway the flop was something really nasty like this [Qh 5h 2d]. The hearts where Kings suite so he had a 4-flush. Let me tell you something about weak players and strong players. To a weak player, like King and Goodson’s father a 4-flush is a made hand and is worth playing as hard as possible. To a strong player a 4-flush is only another drawing hand, and is very frequently worth folding. I came out betting on this flop, and since King has the weak player mentality (and I am obviously trying to bluff him anyway and his king high is plenty good) he raises me. I know what King is thinking, in the very back of my mind I even have a feeling he is on that flush. I re-raise hoping to GOD ALMIGHTY that he doesn’t have that flush and will just fold (He should fold flush or not, but I know King isn’t a strong enough or smart enough human being to ever fold a 4-flush). King calls and the a King falls on the turn. Well there is no turning back now. King bets into me, and I am only call, because I don’t want to raise and get re-raised. A heart inevitably falls on the river and cracks me. Now this hand would upset me as much as it did if these words did not come out of Kings mouth after I called him a cocksucker: “Krasny, if you would have raised me at any time I would have been out of there.” That’s funny I am pretty sure I three-bet him on the flop… I guess he forgot that huh?

There is more. Later after I got bad beated out of the tourney a no-limit game started up. I was in 40 and I had about 38 of that on front of me, when I got THE HAND [QQ]. I did not want any action on this hand, so I raised is $6 to go. Shnieder made, in my opinion, a very bad call with [KK]. King called from dealer button with [45s]. The flop was real gross [239] no flush. A dream, flop for queens. I decided to make a bet and see where I am, so I made it $10. Shnieder made another call with his [KK] although this one is a little better, and King called again with his open-ended strait draw. For those of you wondering if this is or isn’t a good call, let me walk through it. Three people called $6 pre-flop making it $18, then I bet $10 and Mike called making the pot $38, and king had to call $10. King was getting 3.8-1 odds. If you have four to the flush, your odds of making it on the next card are 4.25-1 and those are better then a strait draw. So I am thinking King really need something like 4.75-1 to make a break-even call. Now a break-even call isn’t really that good of a thing as is, so really King needs 5-1 to call this. But he doesn’t know any of this and is a weak player so he calls it. On the turn the board pairs the top card [9]. I quickly go all-in and Shnieder calls me (I know Shnieder has me beat here so I am pissed already) King no ponders for a long time and counts the pot, as if he knows what he needs anyway. There was $88 in the pot, so he was getting 4.4-1 odds, they god a little better although he still need 5-1. Also pot odds only work if the card you need will give you a hand that will win. If there is a chance that the last card could give someone else a flush, or if there is a chance that he is already beat then he needs about 7-1 odds! The fact that on the turn the top card paired means that a full house is already out there. With that much action on the flop and turn there is little reason to believe that no one flopped a set. What if I raised pre-flop with [33] and Shnieds called with [A9]? That means he is drawing dead. He was lucky and he got over the first obstacle we didn’t have full-houses. Now all he needed was a 2 or a 7. He called and lost. Stupid moron.

Alright, I'll talk about the KK hand in a minute, but first, to King.

So after getting emptied out once, he rebuys in for another ten in the no limit game. Within a few hands, he goes all-in for 10 dollars. He had Q6s. I look at my cards that hand. AA. Take it down Schneider.

I'll also just copy/paste what I put within the poker ratings article about one hand of mine against King:
"I have AK, I raise it to 5 dollars. King COLD CALLS 8-9 offsuit, and proceeds to flop two pair. The board is three hearts. I have a heart. I check, he bets 5 dollars, I call. Board comes another 8. He bets ten, I call. River, fourth heart, he bets ten, I call. Just like that, minus 30."
Granted, his play is great outside of the whole fact 89 offsuit is worth calling a 5 dollar raise to him (this pot being a heads up pot between me and King).


Alright, my KK hand. You raised it and I figured I was calling with the better hand. The flop came mostly rags, as you said. While in the back of the mind there was the small possibility you had raised with a low pocket pair and thus flopped a set, I was playing on the mathematical fact that strongly favored you raised a hand that was not helped by that flop; thus, I'm still winning. My initial plan was to raise your bet on the flop, and thus trap you with what was likely the second best hand [hence, why I call instead of raise your 5 or 6 dollar preflop bet]. However, when the bet of 10 dollars was that large, I really had no reason to raise it, in my mind. With that mindset, is only calling your preflop raise a bad play?

This is rybak. Krasny you know kinger is a good player. He's been on a horrible losing streak the past few weaks and he was 2 spots out of money in the tournement, let him play on tilt. And the fact that he beat you with what you said youself was a respectable hand in late position doesn't make sense why you're mad. You raised K9s, why can't he call it? He's suppose to know that you had rockets? Besides we have all seen you raise A6o in no-limit with your 3.5 raise and then bet again on the flop, i'm sure that he thought you had shit. And when he came out betting on the turn with his kings i'm sure he was positive he was beating you and you just called. And why wouldn't want to get raised and reraised if you knew you were winning? Because you "knew the flush was going to come"? I know you know better than that. And in that huge pot king was risking his winnings to take down a huge pot and if he hit neither one of you guys would know what he had and he probably could have taken schnieder all-in. I know it was a tilt call prefolp but i liked his balls afterward.

"Krasny you know kinger is a good player. He's been on a horrible losing streak the past few weaks and he was 2 spots out of money in the tournement, let him play on tilt."

The most retarded thing I have ever heard. I finished 1 spot out of the money, and I have been on a terrible losing streak for 2 weeks also. I am not talking about my flushes don't come bad, I am talking about my AA and KK gettting cracked bad. It doesn't mean you have the right to play poorly. Poor play is poor play.

"And the fact that he beat you with what you said youself was a respectable hand in late position doesn't make sense why you're mad. "

He wasn't in late position, he was early.

"You raised K9s, why can't he call it?"

Because he called with a worse hand. I raised it in late position because I figured anyone with a better hand would have raised. No one did, so I figured it was the best hand, and if it wasn't I still had control and could take it on the flop if I got called.

"He's suppose to know that you had rockets? Besides we have all seen you raise A6o in no-limit with your 3.5 raise and then bet again on the flop, i'm sure that he thought you had shit."

Yeah I would raise A6 in late position as well, but the funny thing is, if I really did have this "shitty" A6 he still called with a losing hand. Then he called for a flush without proper odds.

"And when he came out betting on the turn with his kings i'm sure he was positive he was beating you and you just called."

I am sure he thought he was beating me.

"And why wouldn't want to get raised and reraised if you knew you were winning? Because you "knew the flush was going to come"? I know you know better than that."

Because in a tournament situation it is often timed better to give up some expected value if it has a chance to put you out. It's like even if you are getting the right pot odds to call for a flush, but it will put you all in, it's still a losing play. because the 3/4 times you don't make your flush you are out of the tourny and have no chance to win money. King had a 1/4 chance of making the flush, and if I let he re-raise me all-in on the turn I had a 1/4 chance of being put out. It's not that I knew it was coming, I just wanted some chips left to play with if it did come. I was very confident that I was one of the best players to at the tourny and I did not want to get drawn out of all the money.

"And in that huge pot king was risking his winnings to take down a huge pot and if he hit neither one of you guys would know what he had and he probably could have taken schnieder all-in. I know it was a tilt call prefolp but i liked his balls afterward."

Yeah, he risked way to much money, with not enough odds, and thats only if he wasn't drawing dead already. He had very few miricle cards that could come to save him and it was a very very bad call. Just because he had the balls to call a stupid draw doesn't make it a good play. You could say anyone who calls a gutshot has balls. And by the way, I think if a 7 or 2 came, everyone at the table that saw Kings hand, including King himself would scream and giggle giving his hand away to Shnieder. Shnieder would not have paid King off if it came.

Nice post Reebyck, next time at least be right on one count.

yeah no kidding, moron.

Haha, only nine months later, like a baby. Aaaaaaaaah fetuses.

Hahaha this post is SOOO hold!