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As i have unsubscribed to a conversation where you made a certain post, i have decided to reply to it here.

your post:

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"it is still only your opinions of quality"

At the end of the day some human being's will have to give an opinion of quality. The UG revolves around a certain level of quality. I'm sorry but thats the way it is. I can't see any other reasonable way of doing this than the way we are. And quite frankly spook, I think you are being unreasonable. But I don't think I'll ever be able to convince you of that. Ever. On any subject. No matter how wrong you are.

I don't understand why you feel that there cannot be any more competing organisations (as your isn't a group as all the others are). Do you seriously believe that the SOC should be the last ever, to go along with the AGGGAGCAC and the post and what ever else there is out there?


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1. >"The UG revolves around a certain level of quality. I'm sorry but thats the way it is. I can't see any other reasonable way of doing this than the way we are. And quite frankly spook, I think you are being unreasonable. But I don't think I'll ever be able to convince you of that."

i think you are missing my point. my point was that there is no guidance of quality. i am not against the UG only having entries of a certain quality. in fact, i am for it, and it was the lack of any information about quality that led m to the point that any entry of any quality, although perhaps not quality, could get in. if there is a definite level of quality for the entries that is kept throughout, then i am happy.

2. >"I don't understand why you feel that there cannot be any more competing organisations (as your isn't a group as all the others are). Do you seriously believe that the SOG should be the last ever, to go along with the AGGGAGCAC and the post and what ever else there is out there?"

you have misunderstood my point again. my whole problem with the UG was that it was gonna monopolise Alternative Fiction, which was one of the main problems I had with it. as long as it isn't doing that, i am ok with it.

and by the way, my SOG is a group. all groups begin with 1. and, for your information, i will be looking for people to help out in the near future anyway.


it's like everyone is taking my critiscisms and pulling totally the wrong points from them. i was critiscising elements of the group and awaiting people to reply to me and show me how my critiscisms were unfounded. i am behind any scheme that will fit into h2g2 and will not take control of an element of h2g2. i was given the impression that the UG were taking over AWW, and one of the main things that gave me that imperssion is an inident Jodan has apologised for acting wrongly in.

now, everyone also seems to think that i wanted the editors to be behind the SOG and putting SOG entries on the Front Page with a special status. that is untrue, and unfounded. i critiscised the UG due to my opinions of it's working, but have never suggested that the SOG be the group the editors get behind.

i have only 3 aims for the SOG:

1. a graphic on h2g2, the graphic has already been drawn by werekitty at http://clarefolkes.easycgi.com/werekitty/aaaaaaaa.jpg , and it simply needs to be blobbed. this aim i am hoping to have achieved by the end of the year. if the UG get a blob i will jump to say the SOG get one too, if they don't then i will simply hold out for Mina's community artist group expension to blobbing a picture for a group a week, which should be happening in the near future.
2. a named entry. i ahve been informed the group needs to prove itself first by Ashley, so this is an over 1 year aim.
3. SOG Submission becomes actual review forum. 5 - 10 year aim. this is assuming on the SOG becoming a major success in 5 years, so is a ver long term aim. perhaps/most likely unachieveable, but you gotta have something to aim to.

now, i have not or never have wnated the SOG to be a replacement/better group then the UG, i wanted it to be a Alternative Writing group that encourages writers and accumulates are large group of entries for people to read. the entry was questioning the UGs effect on the community, so could you, and please pass this message on to other UG members, stop accusing me of things and simply reply to the points made. all accusations made of me, are totally false, and i do not like being insulted.

spook

>>SOG Submission becomes actual review forum. 5 - 10 year aim. this is assuming on the SOG becoming a major success in 5 years, so is a ver long term aim. perhaps/most likely unachieveable, but you gotta have something to aim to.

I'm sorry, but this doesn't make any sense to me. If the SOG accepts anything, won't it just be a submission's queue with nothing rejected?

>>so could you, and please pass this message on to other UG members, stop accusing me of things and simply reply to the points made. all accusations made of me, are totally false, and i do not like being insulted.

No one does spook, no one does. All the miners have been made aware of your concerns on the mailing list. Now please spook- stop carrying on with this. I get the impression your main concern about the UG, that it will monopolize the AWW (Even though your goal is to have all entries submitted directly to you, as I recall) has been resolved.

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>"I'm sorry, but this doesn't make any sense to me. If the SOG accepts anything, won't it just be a submission's queue with nothing rejected?"

Yes. i would say it would be less of a review forum and more of a process forum, where entries are submitted, processed, then removed with congratulatory mesage and link to SOG version. i think this could happen in 10 years, especially considered the amount of changes that have occured in h2g2's short lifespan of only 4 years.

>"No one does spook, no one does."

not true. Spiff definitely does, and others have definitely insinuated.

>"I get the impression your main concern about the UG, that it will monopolize the AWW (Even though your goal is to have all entries submitted directly to you, as I recall) has been resolved."

my main concern is monopolisation, although i have many, other smaller concerns. on what you put in brackets, i don't get what you mean. if you are talking about entries being removed from AWW going straight to me, the idea in that was for me to accept what everything else rejected so there was no rejection. if you are referring to my submission forum idea which is my long term goal, the idea of that is for it to be an additional forum, which would be the submission page i have already created so far becoming converted for ease if the SOG becomes popular and well used within the community.

>"Now please spook- stop carrying on with this."

i will reply to all comments made about people. my entry was written as a critiscism to spur discussion on the issue on particularly unclear things. people have obviously mis-interpreted it, and i would list the reasons here but i can't be stuffed right now, so hey.

spook

>>on what you put in brackets, i don't get what you mean.

F136101?thread=309543#p3963440 You said clearly that your main goal was to have all entries submitted directly to you.

oh, right, that makes sense now. what i always say for everything, it ain't what i'm doing, it's the freedom to do it if i wish. i'm a big freedom of choice, freedom of speech, freedom of everything person.

spook

Spook- We're busy enough right now. I'm writing a lot of things for my replacement, dealing with an entry and rallying the volunteers. I have to polish two entries and finish a few UG pages. I can't spend any more time arguing on this, and I'm going to ask the miners to stop commenting. It's a waste of our time answering your questions. We should be getting on to more important things.

Please don't continue this debate spook.

Thanks