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Hey, great PS, I hadn't seen the swarm before!

Just dropping in in case you thought someone thought you were a troll. It's not you (at least not as far as I can see).

I'm glad you're on site btw.

I don't know what's going on, but I do agree with Psycorp that it's been weird here lately. It's just not as satisfying, even though there are debate threads, something is off. I hope it's just the couple of people that are disrupting things, and eventually that will be sorted and I'll enjoy things more again.

No I'm no troll, I know that. Just a raving loony. But I hate that word, troll. It's some kind of catchall term that gets thrown at people without analysing what's actually happening.

And I don't like psycorp being so unspecific; it just creates paranoia.



But good to have you drop by Kea.

I've been in all kinds of complicated hot water lately on hootoo.


Apart from personal issues of my own at present on h2g2, I haven't been aware of a general problem. It doesn't seem any different to me than normal. But then I'm caught up personally at present in things.


Glad you like my ps. I'm dead proud of it. I'm presuming you saw it in brunel. I can't tell you how many speeds I trialled for the ants, until I decided on the right speed.

afaik, he's talking abut fkf and antigrav. The convos they're in are definitely the ones where the debate gets stalled or derailed. I agree the word troll shouldn't be bandied around so much. I do think some of the behaviour is troll-like, but I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt and assume they're not aware of how troll-like they're being. Or, in my new, meaner, Hoo mode I could just say they're too stupid to realise how stupid they are. Jeeze, how did I get to be so intolerant

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Oooh, do tell. Or at least give me a few pointers so I can have a good lurk.


Have you tried the ants with anything else?

I'm not saying anything. Just check my threads. I'm in enough bother as it is.

I love the ants they way they are. Its the simplicity of them flying upwards I like. All my life I've been obsessed with ants.

Antigrav is an idiot but in a different way to fkf.

I think I like the word 'idiot' more than 'troll'

Not even a wee clue? Is it with SWL?


I've just read most of your personal convo with Della. It's strange reading those personal convos, kind of like eavesdropping. But I wanted to let you know because it's an interesting conversation, and because you shared personal stuff which I now know. I started reading because I was intrigued by your wanting to discuss the emotional side of faith, and I liked your approach.

Please tell me I don't have to read all the god threads to see what mischief you've been up to

No.

Have you read *all* of 'Why am I on your friends' list' Az was involved yesterday.

Big Durian was with someone who was repeatedly banned and came back in about 10 different guises. I've even had contact with mods about him. Can't say anything though.

He was quite instrumental in me losing patience with his quite vitriolic and really unrelenting attacks on Vicky. And I made a firm choice because of what was happening. He's disappeared for now, thank god.

I've repeatedly had friends lists and got rid of them, repeatedly unsubbed from all convos. Looking back, I think a lot of problem was to do with the guy with endless new personalities who was repeatedly banned. You know how it is? There's all this talk of sock puppets etc.

I don't know if you can get an impression from the threads. But its been weird.

I'm very keen to maintain a good relationship with Vicky now. That's been excellent. It's about honesty and she knows that what I want. Of course they'll be problems, but its so much better than all the aggro there's been. A lot of it has really upset me.

Oh yes you'll see if you look towards the end of nice ps, I refernce a post explaining my reasons for a change of approach with Vicky.

Oh cluck - its all been so complicated for ages....

I'll speak more to you later.

It's been so complicated I can't even explain everything. There's been difficulties for my good friend Roymondo. His problems with Vicky. My increasing friendship with blicky and the usual SWL problems which have got much better lately, which I'm pleased about.

I'll speak again to you promise....

Yes, got to the end of that thread. I thought you handled that really well. I saw another one where blicky jumped in with something and was impressed that you both ignored him. I'm friends with blicky and az, but I do think it's rude to go into someone's personal convo like that. Sometimes rudeness is called for I guess, but still.

I like your honesty with D in that thread. It's very upfront, but I like it alot.

I don't know who Big Durian is. I must have missed all that. I was away alot for a few months over xmas. I didn't even know that SoRB/Hoo had left (just found out before).


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What?

'Nice ps' Oh that's a funny thread all in its self.

Big Durian is the thread with Jakarta, many identities person.

So many complicated interactions have happened that I can't explain everything. And I haven't even mentioned the big problem with rev nick I had before all this. Before the ants came, I had a ps called, 'this is an impersonal space'. That was because of wanting not to feel threatened on my ps.

Sorry I know I'm not making much sense.

It's a bloody long novel basically...

That's ok, I know it can be hard to follow stuff when you're not involved. I'm not used to not knowing about controversies onsite though. I remember I was away when the swear filter got introduced and it took months for me to get up to speed with all the various fallouts from that.

But not that you should have to give me details anyway. It's enough to understand that it's been complex and difficult for you. I know what you mean about PSs being safe places, at least they should be.

>I like your honesty with D in that thread. It's very upfront, but I like it alot.<


Thanks for that Kea; it means a lot. I'm trying to be really upfront with Vicky all the time and trying to find ways for her to speak about real things that get away from all the *stuff* if you know what I mean about faith.

I have a genuine liking for her, and her complexity interests me. I often like 'difficult' people in real life too. It's good to make communication if possible. And she's not at all calculatingly bad. I've had huge problems with her and most likely will have more but that's what I love about this place the unexpected opportunities and relationships that can happen, even with people plonked right out in the middle of the south Pacific

Hey kea

I need your advice. Help.

3dots left me a message today on my ps about Vicky. I do respect his opinions and know he has my best interests at heart.

But I feel so bloody torn. This thing about Vicky's brother has touched me quite deeply. And of course I decided to try to get on with her better for a couple of weeks or so now.

But there is an undeniable history.

I've always really respected your opinions even when I've disagreed.

Anyway I'm not expecting you to give me any answers. But I'd appreciate discussing it with you if that's ok?

Fine if you don't feel comfortable though.

That's fine. I read the post by 3D. I'm not sure why he refers to her as 'it', that seemed weird. It also seems strange to me that 3D would come to your PS and warn you off, unless I am missing something from another thread.

I won't talk to D/V, except very occasionally when she's being hyper reasonable. We had a spat in a thread ages ago, I went to post an apology offthread for getting personal and she was quite nasty to me before she realised I was apologising and then she was all nice. I can't be bothered with that kind of nice/nasty crap and so I just stopped talking to her. She's one of only 2 people on h2 that I've done that with. For me even if you disagree with someone, or if someone has hurt you in a superficial way, you still offer a level of respect, not least because there may have been a misunderstanding rather than an overt intention to be mean.

It seemed to me that she would blow hot or cold depending on if she perceived someone being nice to her or not. Sometimes the not was even just disagreeing about the topic And that was on top of all the crap that had gone on in various threads over the years. I did end up calling her a troll in the Della Wars because her behaviour was inflammatory and it seemed that she was quite into that. But I also think that she is a difficult person, like you say, and probably has an emotional life that is outside the conventional norm. I think both of those things are perfectly fine, so for me it just came down to her and I not getting on and it being better for my own sake to ignore her.

I did think alot during the Della wars about how much she disrupted the Serious thread and how much that affected people's enjoyment of the site, and came to the conclusion that it would probably be better if she wasn't here. But that was a long time ago. I'm not in the god threads, but in the other threads in the last few months she seems to be making a real effort to take part in the community in a good way, so I don't have a problem with her presence. I might even respond to the occasional post.


Having said all that, what you are doing in that personal thread seems to me to be more about being a friend and exploring emotion, which is quite a different thing from what 3D is saying about rationality *shrug*. I think it's possible that you and her will fall out, but is that so bad? I mean, you've done that already in that thread and then found a way to keep talking, so maybe it's worth it for you.

I suppose that comes down to how you can look after yourself and your own sanity, in relationship to Della. Or anyone here for that matter. I know that I'm pretty careful, I don't talk about personal stuff here very much, and I watch how much I am getting stressed by threads and often take time out if I need to. I have quite a low tolerance for stressful stuff here at the moment, waaay less then I used to (thinking back to the days of arguing with Saturnine, did you know her? She was a big fighter in serious threads, not necessarily personal but often quite rude and confrontational. I used to really get into it, now I prefer the debates to be more intellectually interesting rather than so confrontational).

Anyway, I haven't followed all of what's happened for you with D/V but my feeling is that I'd want you to do what *you want in a way that works for you (depending on what that is).

"Go not to the elves for advice for they will say both yes and no"

Kea< I read the post by 3D. I'm not sure why he refers to her as 'it', that seemed weird.>

I try as much as possible not to interact with that poster at all these days.

'It' refers to the fact that 'it' is a troll no more than that.

An incredible sophisticated troll who has created a manner of interaction with others such that it rarely gets pulled up about 'sub-trolling' as I call it.

I have said before there are 3 explanations for the behaviour:

1) the actual person is an incredibly intelligent person who does this to relax,
2) it is a long term pyschological experiment by pyschologists to see how people interact with someone who patently refuses to change behaviour that most other people consider to be unacceptable along with studies in creating friendships with people on line then destroying them to see the reaction of the person that has been slighted,
3) the person really is like that.

Considering a few months ago I broke down its posting behaviour to a fairly precise set of rules/patterns I would actually go for number 2.

I just can't bring myself to believe that there really is someone who enjoys upsetting and disrupting peoples personal lives via this site which was created to help people learn and grow.

Thanks to both of you.




I've got too much to think about at present to say much in response. But I *do* appreciate both of you being abolutely *honest* with me about what you both think.

3D, you probably know I've got my own critique of Della's behaviour. However under no circumstances will I discuss a human being as an it.

Granted. But a 'troll' is an 'it'.

And if you read my posts closely I do not always use the word 'it' to describe that poster.

I disagree. A troll in this context is a person who behaves in a certain way. If you call them an it you dehumanise them and it then becomes possible to treat them in dehumanised ways (not saying that is what you are doing).

Really honest;y I don't care. It trieats everyone else as less than human in its goal for its sado-masochistic thrills so why should we treat it as human?

It does nothing on this site to define itself as an acceptable human therefore I do not treat it as such.

Otherwise it is a case of...'I hold in my hand a piece of paper' and more fool you.