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Puzzle 8 - Four Fours

Post 101

Icy North

It means "raised to the power of". It's pretty standard in programming languages, Excel formulas, etc.

This was the hardest one to spot so far. I think we'll soon need more mathematical functions. We could use arctan(4º) = 45, I suppose. That should help us.

((4²-4º) * 4²) + 4 = 244


Puzzle 8 - Four Fours

Post 102

aka Bel - A87832164

Sorry to be so daft, but I have no idea what 'raise to the power of' means, and I can't follow how you get to your 243 smiley - erm


Puzzle 8 - Four Fours

Post 103

Icy North

And if we're allowing arctan(4º) = 45, we would also allow arcsin(4º) = 90 and arccos(4º) = 0, although the last one isn't very useful.


Puzzle 8 - Four Fours

Post 104

Icy North

OK, does this help?

To explain (4-4º)^(4+4º) = 243 ...

(4-4º) = 3
(4+4º) = 5

3^5 = 3 raised to the power of 5
= 3 x 3 x 3 x 3 x 3
= 243

smiley - smiley


Puzzle 8 - Four Fours

Post 105

aka Bel - A87832164

Oh yes, thanks , it's like the 4³ then, just with larger numbers than 3. Didn't you limit this to ³ earlier ? smiley - winkeye


Puzzle 8 - Four Fours

Post 106

Icy North

I did limit it to three for a couple of reasons:

1) "squared" and "cubed" are common functions
2) We have no ascii character for superscript numbers higher than three.

If you want higher numbers, then you'll have to make them using your four fours. smiley - smiley


Puzzle 8 - Four Fours

Post 107

aka Bel - A87832164

Yes, right, I see the difference now smiley - smiley


Puzzle 8 - Four Fours

Post 108

Icy North

And when we need it later, arccos(-4º) = 180.

When I get a moment, I'll formally define the domains for these functions, in case there are any mathematical pedants watching. smiley - geeksmiley - winkeye


Puzzle 8 - Four Fours

Post 109

aka Bel - A87832164

I'll cut and paste and save all these functions in one place, then I'll not have to go back to several pages to look for them. smiley - ok


Puzzle 8 - Four Fours

Post 110

Icy North

Here's a few things you can do with a single 4:

4° = 1 smiley - geek
4² = 16 smiley - geek
4³ = 64 smiley - geek
SQRT(4) = 2 smiley - geek
SQRT(4³) = 8 smiley - geek
(4²)² = 256 smiley - geek
4! = 24 smiley - geek
arctan(4°) = 45 smiley - geek
arcsin(4°) = 90 smiley - geek
arccos(-(4°)) = 180 smiley - geek


Puzzle 8 - Four Fours

Post 111

aka Bel - A87832164

Thanks, I've saved all the functions which were unknown to me ( i.e. everything except the squared, cubed,raised to the power of and squareroot ones. We don't differentiate between cubed and squared and 'raised to the power of', we just say 'hoch' - and then put the number we want/need, e.g. 4 hoch 2 =4x4= 16; 4 hoch 3 =4x4x4=64; 4 hoch 5 = 4x4x4x4x4=1024 and so on. )smiley - smiley


Puzzle 8 - Four Fours

Post 112

aka Bel - A87832164

Not really sure which one is right ( first you said arccos(-4°), then you said arcos (-(4°)), I'll go with the first version ( it's 'shorter')


arccos(-4°)+4³+4°x4°=245

arccos(-4°)+4³+4°+4°=246

arccos(-4°)+4³+SQRT(4)+4°=247

arccos(-4°)+4³+SQRT(4)+SQRT(4)=248 ( alternatively: arccos(-4°)+4³+4x4°=248 )

arccos(-4°)+4³+4+4°=249

arccos(-4°)+4³+4+SQRT(4)=250


Puzzle 8 - Four Fours

Post 113

Icy North

(4²)²-4-4/4=251
(4²)²-4+4-4=252
(4²)²-4+4/4=253
(4²)²-SQRT(4)+4-4=254
(4²)²-4°+4-4=255
(4²)²*444°=256
(4²)²+4°+4-4=257
(4²)²+SQRT(4)+4-4=258
(4²)²+4-4/4=259
(4²)²+4-4+4=260
(4²)²+4+4/4=261

p.s. I prefer arccos(-(4°)) as it's not ambiguous.
(-4)°=1 whereas -(4°)=-1


Puzzle 8 - Four Fours

Post 114

aka Bel - A87832164

Hi Icy, that's ok, at least I got away with being lazy once smiley - biggrin


Puzzle 8 - Four Fours

Post 115

aka Bel - A87832164

(4²)²+4+4°+4°=262

(4²)²+4+4-4°=263

(4²)²+4+4/4°=264
(4²)²+4xSQRT(4)+4°=265
(4²)²+4+4+SQRT(4)=266


Puzzle 8 - Four Fours

Post 116

Icy North

(4²)²+SQRT(4³)+4-4°=267
(4²)²+4+4+4=268
(4²)²+SQRT(4³)+4+4°=269
(4²)²+SQRT(4³)+4+SQRT(4)=270
(4²)²+4²-4/4=271
(4²)²+4²+4-4=272
(4²)²+4²+4/4=273


Puzzle 8 - Four Fours

Post 117

Icy North


(4²)²+4²+4-SQRT(4)=274
(4²)²+4²+4-4°=275
(4²)²+4²+4*4°=276
(4²)²+4²+4+4°=277
(4²)²+4²+4+SQRT(4)=278
(4²)²+4²+SQRT(4³)-4°=279
(4²)²+4²+4+4=280
(4²)²+4²+SQRT(4³)+4°=281
(4²)²+4²+SQRT(4³)+SQRT(4)=282


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