A Conversation for Certainties
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Mycroft Posted Oct 8, 2001
Theanthrope, I'm surprised you accept taxes as a certainty: are you sure you're in Italy?
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Researcher 168963 Posted Oct 8, 2001
Content aside, I hate to be a killjoy, but did you write this? Are you and Froodboy the same person?
If not, does he know this is in PR?
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il viaggiatore Posted Oct 8, 2001
I'm not anymore, actually. But when I was there, even when I was there illegally, I paid taxes in the hope that it would aid my pursiut of legal existence. The codice fiscale is remarkably easy to get.
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Witty Ditty Posted Oct 9, 2001
Hiya!
Something my pathology lecturer told me:
There is only one thing that is certain, and that is death. Not taxes, not going to the football match, not seeing the latest films, but death.
Stay ,
WD
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Ugi - Keeper of typos & spelling errers - MAT (see A575912) Posted Oct 9, 2001
Change is a certainty - except from vending machines.
Ugi
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Hiram Abif (aka Chuang Tzu's Pancreas) Posted Oct 18, 2001
In fact change is the only certainty... Death just falls into this category as the ultimate change. In the event of anarchy, no one would be too worried about paying taxes...
This seems to be more of a comment than an actual entry, and as such will probably need some more "flesh" to taken seriously....
-Hiram Abif
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il viaggiatore Posted Oct 18, 2001
But I suppose we all fall under the third category.
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taliesin Posted Oct 26, 2001
Heisenberg would beg to differ...
Also, as your basic premise, you assume that life is certain ..
And did you also know that there are three kinds of people? Those who know how to count, and those who don't..
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Hiram Abif (aka Chuang Tzu's Pancreas) Posted Oct 28, 2001
life is certain because you are reading this..... it has already happened... what life is, however, is not so certain... Perhaps a flea had a dream, and for that dream invented a world in which the action takes place...what happens to that world when the flea wakes up? On a similar note: "Chuang Tzu once dreamt he was a butterfly...when he awoke he did not know if he was Chuang Tzu who had dreamt he was a butterfly, or a butterfly now dreaming he is Chuang Tzu..." So the real question is, are we awake at all?
I, personally, do not take life to be a certainty....only change....change is the essence of reality....
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taliesin Posted Oct 28, 2001
Yes. Life indeed appears to be certain. Which makes four certainties, doesn't it? -- Life, death, taxes, and amateur philosophers...
And who says there are even any dreamers? Or indeed, any 'things' at all, such as fleas, butterflies, or ancient Chinese Taoist sages...
But that's not the topic of this article..
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Hiram Abif (aka Chuang Tzu's Pancreas) Posted Oct 28, 2001
I disagree...the topic of the article is certainties... wherever we can find or dispell these certainties we find the point of this article... So we cannot be "certain" that are any "things" at all (besides amateur philosophers) that was really my point after all... change is not a "thing". So we will assume that nothing exists at all. From there we will try to determine what "IS" we have only one means of doing this, our own perception... now there is no perceiver, because that would be a thing, so there is only perception. So what is it that perception perceives?
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taliesin Posted Oct 29, 2001
..whatever it wants to, I suppose..
( For some reason, this reminds me of the 'Doors' tune .. 'The future's uncertain and the end is always near..')
And I agree with you, of course.
I think ..
Which was the reason for the Heisenberg quip earlier on... in reference to the eponymous Uncertainty Principle...
But I think we are semi-serious here... this is, after all, a zany guide in the vein of the original, so within this dream, this illusion, this ~maya~, which we seem to share, let us agree to the paradox of certain uncertainties -- otherwise we may ratiocinate ourselves out of a job
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Hiram Abif (aka Chuang Tzu's Pancreas) Posted Oct 29, 2001
Totally off subject: "Peace will enter when hate is gone"
Very similar to what Krishnamurti says "good is not the opposite of evil, it comes into being only when that which is evil has utterly ceased" Will humankind ever awaken?
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FroodBoy [ACE] Posted Oct 30, 2001
Hello,
This is FroodBoy. I am not theanthrope. I have read with interest your conversation aboutmy entry, and I have now become aware of it's being in PR.
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FroodBoy [ACE] Posted Oct 30, 2001
I am sorry my article is lacking in flesh, but it is a short, snappy parodic (though nevertheless true) misquotation, rather than an informative article.
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taliesin Posted Oct 30, 2001
Humour does not always have to be strictly accurate... And while this may never get into the Edited Guide, (although as 'skeletal' as it is, it makes more sense than some that already are!!), it is nonetheless amusing, and we can all use a little more humour these days..
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taliesin Posted Oct 31, 2001
Hi Hiram,
You do have a knack for questions, don't you?
And strictly speaking, it is off topic -- although one could argue that a discussion of certainties has rather a wide range...
Yeah, I wonder that very same thing... Pessimistically, one could say we humans have a very long way to go. Optimistically, one could say we have travelled far already..
And as Gerry Garcia once said, 'what a long, strange trip its been!'
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- 1: frood (Oct 3, 2001)
- 2: il viaggiatore (Oct 3, 2001)
- 3: Monsignore Pizzafunghi Bosselese (Oct 8, 2001)
- 4: Mycroft (Oct 8, 2001)
- 5: Researcher 168963 (Oct 8, 2001)
- 6: il viaggiatore (Oct 8, 2001)
- 7: Witty Ditty (Oct 9, 2001)
- 8: Ugi - Keeper of typos & spelling errers - MAT (see A575912) (Oct 9, 2001)
- 9: Hiram Abif (aka Chuang Tzu's Pancreas) (Oct 18, 2001)
- 10: il viaggiatore (Oct 18, 2001)
- 11: taliesin (Oct 26, 2001)
- 12: Hiram Abif (aka Chuang Tzu's Pancreas) (Oct 28, 2001)
- 13: taliesin (Oct 28, 2001)
- 14: Hiram Abif (aka Chuang Tzu's Pancreas) (Oct 28, 2001)
- 15: taliesin (Oct 29, 2001)
- 16: Hiram Abif (aka Chuang Tzu's Pancreas) (Oct 29, 2001)
- 17: FroodBoy [ACE] (Oct 30, 2001)
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