A Conversation for Talking Point: The Ethics of Being Frozen
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ViceChancellorGriffin Keeper spelling Mistakes and Goldfish Started conversation Jun 28, 2001
this is stupid becase wonce you are dead how will ferrezing your body help . even if you are doctor who.
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Rob Posted Jun 28, 2001
You've never watched star trek ,have you?
People recover in the blink of an eye.The whips out his/her tricorder and the person is revived*No examples come to mind*
Personally i believe in re-incarnation.My soul will go into another living organism and my body will go to science for the benefit of others.If i was brought back to life after 50 years or more,i would some idea of death.This could be potentially soul destroying for anyone.
Boswell
keep lovin keep learnin keep livin
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ViceChancellorGriffin Keeper spelling Mistakes and Goldfish Posted Jun 28, 2001
of corse i have seen startreak but this is realty and i know all sci-fi is what the futer will be but ......
OH B****R ok ok u win but ... im contradicting myself .........
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Xanatic Posted Jun 28, 2001
Well, we don´t know the technologies of the future. But I don´t think they have a chance. If they had been still alive when they had been frozen, maybe they could have done something.
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ViceChancellorGriffin Keeper spelling Mistakes and Goldfish Posted Jun 28, 2001
now i agree with that !!!!
if your not dead you have a higher persentage of being reviven but.....
what if the company goses bust ?
when will they wake you ?
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Xanatic Posted Jun 28, 2001
In an old horror magazine there is a nice story. A guy´s rich twin brother is to be frozen. The evil twin kills him and takes his place. Hoping to wake up with his money(Just think of the interests). You see the institute through the ages, with a background of a futuristic city, a scene of war and a wasteland. And the institute is destroyed in the war, and all the frozen corpses die. Except the evil twin. You then see him lie on an operating table, with doctors over him. He is woken up and asks what has happened. They tell him he was the only surviving corpsicle, because a great war destroyed the insitute. But it was great luck he survived. They then pull off their doctor masks and you see that they are alien. They say that the war weas between humans and aliens and they won. But what a chance to get to do a vivisection on a species that has been extinct for hundreds of years. And he screams.
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Cardinal Noah (is now back!!!) Posted Jun 28, 2001
i don't think it's a good idea because what about overcrowding? there will be all the people that have been born and then there will be all the recucitated people as well! nightmare! and what about people who have been dead for 200 years? how will they adjust? and won't lots of money have to be spent on rehabilitation?
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ViceChancellorGriffin Keeper spelling Mistakes and Goldfish Posted Jun 29, 2001
yes if we move plant that will solve it but have you read the conspicy thery on the moon its prety convincing .
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Pyrex Muse of Unbreakable Space-age Wonder Glass, Student of Life, Keeper of the Seven Keys of Ventuslor Posted Jun 29, 2001
1) You are not dead when the freeze you, they freeze you before you are killed by the illness or whatever.
2) In the future as some see it all the copsecicles would die, In a future (which I dont see if they did revive you) It would cost a lot of money, but if they can revive you I think the third option, that money is no longer is best, of corse there is trade but money is only used in a different way, if they expect a payment I would think it would be more like indentured servitude or a no choice job where you will be seperated from the rest of humans or whatever.
3)I dont see what a conspiracy about the moon has to do with cryogenic stasis.
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ViceChancellorGriffin Keeper spelling Mistakes and Goldfish Posted Jun 29, 2001
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Rob Posted Jun 29, 2001
Pyrex has a point;reminding me about the cryochambers in the Alien series.In these chamber the long distance mariner's metabolic rates were slowed down-much like hibernation-and all they had was their dreams.
When Ripley is revived in the 2nd instalment all her family has passed away-she woke up 63 odd years into the future.
In the animal kingdom,many insects like ladybirds can live in cold conditions-living in virtual suspended animation.
I think i just drifted away from the focus of this conversation:so i'll stop now
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Pyrex Muse of Unbreakable Space-age Wonder Glass, Student of Life, Keeper of the Seven Keys of Ventuslor Posted Jun 29, 2001
A good book on this sort of an idea... A World Out Of Time, by Larry Niven... Very riviting book makes you think a bit about the whole moral of freezing your body...
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Xanatic Posted Jun 29, 2001
Larry Niven, I just read Ringworld. That was an interesting species those Puppeteers. I better read this one too.
I just watched Demolition Man on TV, that was also a bit about cryogenics. And as for loosing 63 years, that will also happen with space travel anyway.
Give me one good argument for the moon landing being fake.
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Crystal Butterfly Posted Jul 1, 2001
You thought that was a nice story, Xanatic?
You obviously like being scared out of your wits!
Another cryogenic storyline, "Andromeda" with Kevin Sorbo
Just a couple of hundred years, and he never even had muscle wastage.
There are people who say the moon landing never happened because of the absence of stars
Not the place to hold a party, the moon.
No atmosphere
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ViceChancellorGriffin Keeper spelling Mistakes and Goldfish Posted Jul 1, 2001
helo this might be going off track abit but for the fake moon landing there has been a conferstion started at http://www.bbc.co.uk/h2g2/guide/F65410?thread=124880&post=1101148#p1101148 I onece heard of a story of this lady who slept for like 50 years and had the doctors round and they said thet there was nothing rong with her . Someyears latter she awoke with no ageimg and just carried on with her life as normal .
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Pyrex Muse of Unbreakable Space-age Wonder Glass, Student of Life, Keeper of the Seven Keys of Ventuslor Posted Jul 2, 2001
What tabloid did you read this in?
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ViceChancellorGriffin Keeper spelling Mistakes and Goldfish Posted Jul 2, 2001
I canot rember but It could be true . Even if it is not its still a good story for the Covversation.
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Pyrex Muse of Unbreakable Space-age Wonder Glass, Student of Life, Keeper of the Seven Keys of Ventuslor Posted Jul 2, 2001
The only thing I dont agree with about it is the fact that when the brain freezes the cells are destroyed by the water in the cells expanding. Even if they did revive you you wouldnt have a brain... unless in some way you were able to bring the body temperature to just above freezing and use some chemical to perserve the body that can be removed later. Possably scientists may find a sort of "zero time" chamber where they could contain people in a field that would slow down time for them so one hour would be one hundred years real time. Of corse this is all science fiction right now but in the future there may be a better chance of revival...
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Xanatic Posted Jul 2, 2001
Well, Einsteins theories could make a zero-time chamber. But that thing with the woman sounds like it´s false. Some people have slept for a long time, but not 50 years. And certainly not without aging.
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