h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

Entry: Truth and Tolerance – Integrating Faith and Reason (Part 3) - A15985209
Author: Pilgrim4Truth - U5734655

Here is Part 3 (parts 1 and 2 already in Writing Workshop) - Thanks

Corrected typos - awaiting input

so called >> so-called

looked if we can make a synthesis >> looked at making sense of ...?

setup >> set up

polarized (extreme positioning) reflection >> polarised - and I would omit the parentheses, we can assume people understand the term...

someone else will need to come along and advise you on the GuideML for the table

Emergent post-modernism since the mid 20th century recognized the subject-object problem, that we have discussed previously, as a key reason to advance its position, and this has had a predictable reactionary response. >>> Emergent post-modernism since the mid 20th century recognised the subject-object problem discussed previously as a key reason to advance its position, and this has had a predictably reactionary response.

jeopardized >> jeopardised (all 'ize' endings need to be anglicised, wherever they appear)

and/or lost, in this case >> and/or lost. In this case

Kubler needs an umlaut over the 'u' - insert ü instead of the u. It should work

can be characterise these reactions >> can characterise these reactions

modernism; >> modernism:

over reliance >> over-reliance

objectiveness of scientific method >> objectivity (I think)

Asserting only science-based verifiable truths have objective existence before essence3 in this respect it can be said it is a kind of scientific existensialism. >> , asserting that science-based verifiable truths have objective existence before essence3. In this respect it can be said to be a kind of scientific existentialism.

But given >> Given

is an argument based >> are based

deeply held>> deeply-held

viable an anger >> viable, an anger

where often rejected >> were often rejected




W

OK Done, time for for me as well. The umlaut did not work as prescribed. I fix the type fonts for Kubler, Godel and Soren later before PR.

Is this making sense to you? As much as I want to correct all of my bad english habits and typos - I want to make sure its fairly clear (it's a kind of technial subject and I am aware some will be lost in it unless I work at that aspect)

Don't worry, Pilgrim, you'll get a lot of guideML guidance in PR. I am sorry I got that wrong.

I am 'getting' this, and am staying on the look out for places to simplify the language where I can see it working (eg: synthesis etc) so no worries in that respect. You do tend to make your sentences long, and use complex vocabulary when a simpler word would do. It is hard to peel away at the complex language, leaving the purity in the meaning. I struggle with this when I am writing. Kafkaesque, my teacher called my ramblings many decades ago

Be patient with me though. RL and a couple of other h2g2 projects are grumbling at me, but I will come back to this, I promise.


W

Thanks for the help so far. Over complex and verbose language is a kind of style of the lazy writer. I fall foul of that. I am trying to be clear, but sometimes it really needs another to push back. That's why you are useful and in demand! Sorry to be a burden, but I hope it will be worth it. You and the others on the team do a good job.

Wilma - Just so you'll not be suprised I've moved some para's around with linking text so things flow more a bit more smoothly. It does not change anything in the para's that we edited together.

I haven't seen 's like that in the edited guide. Is that something new? I like it

I meant

I'm a newbie, so it's all new to me!

This is what I am listening to now : Highrise - Hawkwind (A704035) - I went to see them in the late 70's early 80's. Psychadelic Hippie Rock in the age of Punk!

Lyrics are interesting http://www.hawkwind.com/lyr/hr.htm

on a flying visist with apologies for the absence


*diving right in*

and looked if we can make a >> and looked to see if we can make a

The legacy of Darwin's evolutionary ideas are profound, but the debate as to range of its applicability rages still. >> this doesn't read well, Pilgrim. Being profound does not negate it raging still. The term 'range of its applicability' is unnecessarily obtuse. You could as easily say 'how far it goes'... Have another go at this one?

from Darwinian concepts that are current >>> from current (or contemporary) Darwinian concepts

This we briefly discuss below. >> you really need to weed out the 'we's. Maybe not all of them as they work to bring out the meaning sometimes, but this one can go, I think. PR will jump on each of them.


"With me," he said, the horrid doubt always arises whether the convictions of man's mind, which has been developed from the mind of the lower animals, are of any value or at all trustworthy. Would any one trust in the convictions of a monkey's mind, if there are any convictions in such a mind? >>

(remember single straight quotes)

'With me, the horrid doubt always arises whether the convictions of man's mind, which has been developed from the mind of the lower animals, are of any value or at all trustworthy. Would any one trust in the convictions of a monkey's mind, if there are any convictions in such a mind?'
- Darwin, etc

(another huge one folding over itself...)
In response Fitelson and Sober, whilst admitting 'If someone challenges all observations and rules of inference that are used in science and in everyday life, demanding that they be justified from the ground up, the challenge can not be met', nevertheless argued that the same could be said for faith-based position 'What is true is that neither position has an answer to hyperbolic doubt'.

>>

The Fitelson and Sober response concedes that 'if someone challenges all observations and rules of inference that are used in science and in everyday life, demanding that they be justified from the ground up, the challenge can not be met'; however, they also argued that the same could be said for faith-based position: 'What is true is that neither position has an answer to hyperbolic doubt'.

Maybe?

On the issue on the confidence of belief in evolutionary theory they say '… if evolutionary theory does say that our ability to theorize about the world is apt to be rather unreliable, how are evolutionists to apply this point to their own theoretical beliefs, including their belief in evolution? One lesson that should be extracted is a certain humility — an admission of fallibility.'

>>

In terms of the confidence of belief in evolutionary theory, Fitelson and Sober say '… if evolutionary theory does say that our ability to theorize about the world is apt to be rather unreliable, how are evolutionists to apply this point to their own theoretical beliefs, including their belief in evolution? One lesson that should be extracted is a certain humility — an admission of fallibility.'

developed, that challenges >> developed, one that challenges



Wilma

changes made - I have also tidied up a half dozen "we" instances. I'll go through parts 1-4 again to change-out the expression more - though sometimes it makes it less chatty. I don't think it makes any material change to the meaning of the piece(s), but if that is the preferred house style - so be it. It's not for me to complain!

Pilgrim, I have a feeling that PR is going to ask for 1st person stuff to come out. Here's one way you could do it:
"The last entry reviewed the way faith looks to reason to give it coherence and consistency, and finished off examining the subject-object problem that undermines the modernist concept of objective truth." Could you go through the entries and try to alter them where you feel you can get away with it?

Please do a 'ctrl F' and replace all cases of 'ize' with 'ise'

profound impact over the years >>> on what?

In that it is argued that >>> It is argued that

Can we say our objective being (eg, relating to questions such as 'does the world exist independently of me?') have any meaning in such a formalism? >> this sentence needs work, P.

... and then I think we can move on to Part Four

W

Will do Wilma - I intend to overhaul that stuff in a bigger edit over the next few days (if I get some time)

Suggest Flea Market

The author has - this needs to go to the Flea Market.

Alex

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