h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

If we didn't have artists, then where would our culture be!??

Might I tell you that I fell upon your site in a search for THE BEATLES... obviously, you love them as well as other excellent musical groups and various science fiction authors.

How can you possibly categorize EVERY art student as worthless!?? You know that John Lennon attended art school with his friend Stuart Sutcliff, the original Fab Four bass player!?? And what of their good friend Klaus Voorman, who designed the cover of their 1966 release, "Revolver"!???

You are truly running the risk of sounding like a hypocrite.

Society needs its aesthetics. If people are happy being art students, and if pursuing their passions does little harm to anyone(save you, with your blessed ability to criticize others and notice their flaws....), then LET IT BE!!!

Christ...

Am I missing something!??

Are you harboring a secret and unresolved desire to be creative yourself!??

If you can appreciate the BEATLES, REM, and RADIOHEAD, you have to in turn be patient with the artistic minds that just might follow them.... you can't be blind forever.

hummm...... tetchy.

I was wondering how long it would be before someone piocked up on this.
Firstly i'd like to make the destinction between "artists" and "arts students" i'm prepaired to admit that gifted artists musicians, writers etc... etc.. contribute positively (in the most part) to society. But arts students aren't artists bacause, by definition, thats what they're suposedly studying to become and they wouldn't need to study it if they already were one would they?

Arts students are an entirely different breed. Generally self-absorbed and sanctimonious people with thier head so far up thier own rectum all they can see is thier own gut lining (alright on this note thay do resemble most sucessfull artists). They all labour under the obsert misconsption that they actually have an aprichiable ammount of work to do. HA!!! i think now, 5-8 hours of lectures, an essay (with a "flexable" deadline) and some optional reading is not work. However this is quite good training as it happens because "not work" is exactly what they'll be doing when they leave uni because, lets face it, no arts degree realy brings with it a solid career.

Also i preferr to think of arts students in general as "useless" not "worthless" and i define these terms relative to any science/englineering (maybe social science at a push) student. For instance, relative to a pety-criminal living off nicked videos and dole-money, no arts student is useless (unless they've taken to pety crime to make up for the fact that arts graduates normally command pathetic saleries). But relative to sci/eng they are, clearly, useless (on the whole their must be exceptions i'm sure, i've not met one yet though).

other points...

I dont need to be a bloody arts student/graduate to appriciate music, i simply like what i like and i dont like what i dont like.

My distaste for arts students says nothing about how creative/uncreative I am. Another common misconseption amoungst arts students is that there is no creativity in science. This is clearly not true, it takes creativity to see things no-one saw before and to push back the boundaries of human knowledge.

I doubt John Lennons attendance at ats school had a huge influence on his later creativity. The man was born with tallent he didn't need to do a "pop musics 101" before he could begin to write music.

I dont think i'm a hypocrit, biggot maybe.

REM were all medical students before they "made it big" so they're not realy relavent to your argument.

Finally, if we didn't have science and technology where would the entrie human race be???!?!?! i dont think thier would be much time for artistic expression if we still lived in caves wondering if maybe thir might be a use for some of these rocks arround us.

CYA

I never bashed anyone or anything--- I just vied to tell you how it is; you can't possibly place a group of people into one archetype. Did I ever call down the other majors!?? No... I didn't... I only want you to be a little more tolerant of most citizens...

It takes all kinds... even those petty criminals have their place.

Your great concern for shaking your finger at art students(by the way, I believe that pursuing one's creative abilities is a noble endeavor, regardless of how one goes about it...!!!)worries me. Some art student in the past must've ripped out your heart...

It doesn't matter what PAST we have had... Lennon would've been either a great drop out from society or an incredible inspiration. Thankfully, he turned out to be the latter.

Good for REM being in the scientific field of study before making it big.... Didn't someone from Rage Against the Machine go to Harvard!??

I didn't mean to make it seem as if there is a direct connection between artisty and art school. Just please recognize that their CAN be productivity in the liberal arts.

And anyone can lounge about and convince themselves they are divine. Haven't you!??

Ok, i'd just like t say i can, infact, stereotype people if i want. Ultimately it makes things a little less complex. And, in my experience, people do have a shocking habit of fitting into stereotypes so why fight it?
And you can "vie to tell me how it is" all you like but your difinition of "how it is" is simply that, your definition. From my point of view, "how it is" is obviously somewhat different (and my opinion is generally more important, to me, than other peoples so i'm pretty sure my version of "how it is" is more true 2 life.

EVEN PETTY CRIMINAL HAVE THIER PLACE!?!??!?!?!?!??!??!?! what planet did u fall from? criminals dont fill some "vital niche" in society they actively disrupt it. Would you allow rapists and merderers thier "place" aswell?

Also no "finger shaking", as you put it, would be necesary if arts students didn't winge unnecessarily and continue to labour under the stupid assumption that what thier doing carries any kind of work-load. If they would admit that thier degree is less valuable and much easier than the majority of sci/eng/soc-sci degree's then i'd have no argument.

"some arts sudent in the past must have ripped out your heart...", nope sorry, thiers nothing that "poetic" to be found here.

I dont get what hte line about the PAST is getting at....

Did rage against the machine go to harvard?

Finally, i dont lounge anywhere/anytime and i've not "convinced myself" that i'm "devine". important maybe.