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Peer Review: A3523916 - Ampersands & Their Sordid Past
ExtraneousSnood Started conversation Jan 14, 2005
Entry: Ampersands & Their Sordid Past - A3523916
Author: ExtraneousSnood - U1252708
Here's a surprisingly fun entry on the ampersand. Comments are welcome.
A3523916 - Ampersands & Their Sordid Past
Emmily ~ Roses are red, Peas are green, My face is a laugh, But yours is a scream Posted Jan 14, 2005
Hello and Welcome to h2g2, and welcome to Peer Review ExtraneousSnood
I think that's an intersting subject for an entry, there's not already an Edited Entry on Ampersands, so there's a gap there to be filled.
You'll need to do a little work on it, bring it up to it's full potential, other Researchers will probably offer comments and suggestions on it soon.
It would be nice if you would add an introduction of some kind on your Space. Some Researchers are reluctant to make comments on Entries where it looks like the author may not return, as yours does at the moment.
You can add an introduction by clicking 'Edit Page' on your Space.
Emmily
A3523916 - Ampersands & Their Sordid Past
ExtraneousSnood Posted Jan 14, 2005
Many thanks, Emmily. Already updated my profile. I've got entries in the works regarding other punctuation criters.
Regards,
--Brian
A3523916 - Ampersands & Their Sordid Past
Emmily ~ Roses are red, Peas are green, My face is a laugh, But yours is a scream Posted Jan 14, 2005
Ok, I just hope I'm correct, in that it's a suitable Entry for the Edited Guide. I'm on a bit of a 'learning curve' about Peer Review, it's been very quiet this evening. Your entry is factual and informative, that's requirements of Edited Entries, so it should be ok.
It would be good if you could change you Entry to GuideML. That's the language h2g2 uses, to enable you to add Headers/Subheaders, links, bold or Italic text, you can find out more at A2669051 it says it for a personal Space, but works the same in Guide Entries
You insert '&' in GuideML like this - &
I notice your using double quotes, it's standard for Edited Entries to only use single quotes
Emmily
A3523916 - Ampersands & Their Sordid Past
Emmily ~ Roses are red, Peas are green, My face is a laugh, But yours is a scream Posted Jan 14, 2005
I must've beem asleep when I read it earlier.
Have you read the Writing-Guidelines it's very helpful if you haven't. Entries must be written in third person, you'll need to change or remove some of it.
Emmily
A3523916 - Ampersands & Their Sordid Past
Felonious Monk - h2g2s very own Bogeyman Posted Jan 15, 2005
I enjoyed this entry and, yes, Emmily, it's a suitable entry for the Guide: have a look at A2922077 for a similar entry. The only work that really needs to be done to this is to 'depersonalise' it. The means changing phrases such as ' know that this will upset some folks','But I digress' and 'I'm glad you asked'. The only other comment I'd make is that the ligature between E and t in "&" is really only very clear in the Brunel skin: Classic and Alabaster don't show it so well.
It's a good 'un. Don't let it fall by the wayside.
FM
Scout
A3523916 - Ampersands & Their Sordid Past
ExtraneousSnood Posted Jan 15, 2005
Thanks, Emmily and Scout.
I'll update the entry to GuideML format on Monday.
I'm not certain, but I think the reason you may have keyed into the double quotes might be usage here in the States vs. usage there in the UK. I usually reserve the use of single quote, or apostrophe, for possesive and contractions. I use double quotes to denote specific citations and examples, as well as quotations. If there's a particular preference for the Guide, I'll gladly update the entry to the standard.
Regards,
--Brian
A3523916 - Ampersands & Their Sordid Past
Emmily ~ Roses are red, Peas are green, My face is a laugh, But yours is a scream Posted Jan 15, 2005
I think the Editors like the single quotes as they make the Entry look tidier I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong
You can find out more double/single quotes at English Usage in the Edited Guide A266131
( Felonious)
Emmily
A3523916 - Ampersands & Their Sordid Past
BigAl Patron Saint of Left Handers Keeper of the Glowing Pickle and Monobrows Posted Jan 15, 2005
I found this to be an interesting Entry ES. I've long been curious about this, but never took the trouble to 'find out'; hence I think this will be a useful addition to the EG.
I found your digressionary paragraph (about Latin being a dead language) to be a bit trite and, if it was me, I wouldn't include it.
A3523916 - Ampersands & Their Sordid Past
Gnomon - time to move on Posted Jan 15, 2005
Emmily, the editors prefer single quotes because they are standard publishing practice in the UK. All books, newspapers and magazines use them.
A3523916 - Ampersands & Their Sordid Past
Emmily ~ Roses are red, Peas are green, My face is a laugh, But yours is a scream Posted Jan 15, 2005
A3523916 - Ampersands & Their Sordid Past
AlexAshman Posted Jan 17, 2005
Hi ES! Interesting entry - something I never had a clue about.
You say the typesetters were 'always looking for another way to become lazy' - they could equally have been trying to save time...
Alex
A3523916 - Ampersands & Their Sordid Past
ExtraneousSnood Posted Jan 19, 2005
Thanks all, for your input. I've updated the entry, folding your comments into it.
Regards
--Brian
A3523916 - Ampersands & Their Sordid Past
Ormondroyd Posted Jan 19, 2005
Well done, Brian. This is an interesting read, surely on its way into the Edited Guide.
Perhaps I'm out of touch here, but I don't understand the closing remark: '...LMNOP is quickly becoming one letter'. Is this a texting thing, or is it caused by kids saying 'Lemony Snicket'?
A3523916 - Ampersands & Their Sordid Past
Mort - a middle aged Girl Interrupted Posted Jan 19, 2005
Is it due to the sing song of chanting the alphabet and they have to rush through those letters to keep to the rhythm?
A3523916 - Ampersands & Their Sordid Past
Gnomon - time to move on Posted Jan 20, 2005
A few tiny changes needed:
'and.' --> 'and'.
That is, move the full stop to outside the quotes. This is h2g2 standard.
"t" --> 't'
here in America --> in America
are taught their alphabet --> were taught their alphabet
A3523916 - Ampersands & Their Sordid Past
ExtraneousSnood Posted Jan 26, 2005
Thanks all. I've updated the few typographical problems.
By the way, I beleive the 'LMNOP' thing is caused by something in the water...
Regards,
--Brian
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Peer Review: A3523916 - Ampersands & Their Sordid Past
- 1: ExtraneousSnood (Jan 14, 2005)
- 2: Emmily ~ Roses are red, Peas are green, My face is a laugh, But yours is a scream (Jan 14, 2005)
- 3: ExtraneousSnood (Jan 14, 2005)
- 4: Emmily ~ Roses are red, Peas are green, My face is a laugh, But yours is a scream (Jan 14, 2005)
- 5: Emmily ~ Roses are red, Peas are green, My face is a laugh, But yours is a scream (Jan 14, 2005)
- 6: Felonious Monk - h2g2s very own Bogeyman (Jan 15, 2005)
- 7: ExtraneousSnood (Jan 15, 2005)
- 8: Emmily ~ Roses are red, Peas are green, My face is a laugh, But yours is a scream (Jan 15, 2005)
- 9: BigAl Patron Saint of Left Handers Keeper of the Glowing Pickle and Monobrows (Jan 15, 2005)
- 10: Gnomon - time to move on (Jan 15, 2005)
- 11: Emmily ~ Roses are red, Peas are green, My face is a laugh, But yours is a scream (Jan 15, 2005)
- 12: AlexAshman (Jan 17, 2005)
- 13: ExtraneousSnood (Jan 19, 2005)
- 14: Ormondroyd (Jan 19, 2005)
- 15: Mort - a middle aged Girl Interrupted (Jan 19, 2005)
- 16: AlexAshman (Jan 20, 2005)
- 17: Ormondroyd (Jan 20, 2005)
- 18: Gnomon - time to move on (Jan 20, 2005)
- 19: ExtraneousSnood (Jan 26, 2005)
- 20: h2g2 auto-messages (Jan 31, 2005)
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