h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

Completely wrong. The Post, the AGGGAGCAC and any other group which works under its own steam is free to roam through the AWW with little interference. Perhaps it will be even better now because there will be more comments.

i have gained this view because i once asked someone if they wanted the entry to go in the SOG and both Ben and Jodan jumped out saying "no no no, you can't have it yet they may wish to work a bit more on the entry to get it in the UG". acceptant of other schemes is that?

actually this wasn't exactly what i meant with that point, but did with another. it's the fact that the AWW must be an APR not a UGR, something i think may be being discussed in your yahogroup but i don't know, since it must be for all groups and must present al groups equally.

spook

You could have asked the person, and I'm sure that Ben and Jodan (assuming the person agreed) wouldn't have had a problem with you putting that in.

What exactly do you mean by the AWW becoming an APR? What purpose would that serve?

it was Ben and Jodan who started moaning at me and creating a negative atmosphere in the thread.

>"What exactly do you mean by the AWW becoming an APR? What purpose would that serve?"

what purpose would it becoming an Underguide Review serve? Alternative Peer Review or Alternative Review means that all groups are equal there, Underguide Review puts emphasis on the Underguide. if you are intent on changing the name then the name should represent all groups since i am told all groups can use it.

spook

No. Peer Review Forum means the same thing as UnderGuide Forum.

Would you prefer UnderGuide Review Forum?

It means the same thing spook.

no Verc, because one contains the word 'Underguide', puting emphasis on the group, the other doesn't. anyway, i have word from Ashley that the Review Forum will 'not' contain the word Underguide, so i'm happy.

spook

*makes an appearance*

I know that Ashley told you that it wouldn't be URF now, so I won't push that issue. But you should know GTB and I are pushing for equality for the Post, CAC etc.

As for that thread, Ben and I jumped partly because you need the author's permission, who was still around.

Spook, would you like me to email you the moves that I email to Ashley? I'll do it if it will calm you down.


(No moves today )

i'm not particularly angry, but it sound good to me. my e-mail address is now [email protected] . just shove me in the cc or there wherever you want actually, i don't mind.

i think i've caused enough dispute for one day!

btw, in another thread you mentioned you didn't have a particular entry you would want the name Underguide to be. it may be a good idea for you to create a sort of main Underguide page you link people to, which links to everywhere else. when writing my article i wasn't sure the best place so i linked to the Underguide Editors home page, but it would be useful for you for advertising to have a specific page you can link people to, and then you could get a link on the AWW immediately to one place.

spook

I link to A1103329. It's not completely done yet, and we're not happy with the page structure, but it's being worked on.

I email the moves to Ashley every Friday. Today is Friday, but I haven't got any moves on my list

i think it needs more info about the scheme at the top. everything else seems fine, but between the intro and the 'Miners' bit there needs to be info. perhaps going by a FAQ type of style as the subheaders. you know, things like:

- What is the Underguide?
- What does it do?
- How does it work?
- How can I help?

the last one would lead on to being a Miner, Polisher, and other ways of helping. going by this would certainly make the entry a better resource place to link people to from the start for people to find out all they need to about the UG.

if you like the idea suggest it to the group.

spook

It's mostly a resource for miners, actually. That's what it was created for.

We'll probably come up with a new introduction to the UG page soonish

"As for that thread, Ben and I jumped partly because you need the author's permission, who was still around."

Morally, it makes sense for publishers like UG or SOG to get consent from authors. But technically, since we've signed over all permissions to BBC ("...waive any moral rights in your contribution for the purposes of its submission to and publication on BBCi and the purposes specified above..."), and since they reserve the right to print or promote anything we submit in any format forever and ever, any researcher on h2g2 can quote or copy whole guide entries, modify them slightly, even submit them to the Edited Guide. If the original author is credited in a way that stops this from seeming like "plagiarism", and if doing all that doesn't amount to harassment or anti-social behavior, it is perfectly fair to do. That's the whole idea behind the Flea Market, where active researchers are encouraged to modify or polish up entries left by inactive researchers.

I don't think spook technically needs to get an author's permission to list their entries on his page or pages. These things tend to change from time to time, or interpretations may change from editor to editor, but my understanding is that the Terms and Conditions we've agreed to allows us unusual flexibility with using each other's writings, as long as it's not judged to be plagiarism or harassing or otherwise breaking the rules.

Here's the bit from the "Heavy Legal Stuff" help page at <./>DontPanic-Legal</.>:
"With regards to the h2g2 Editorial Process, it is clear that contributors' works may be used on the site by either the BBC or other contributors to potentially create derivative works through the Editorial Process and schemes like the Flea Market."

"...essentially, when contributors send in works, they are giving the BBC a licence to modify their work/make derivative works from it, and also, they are giving the BBC the right to sublicence those rights to third parties - including other members of the h2g2 Community."

Again, morally it's best to get author's consent.

No, he doesn't need premission at all. He can do what he pleases, legally. It's not about legal issues though.

Like I said, I made an uh-oh.