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Icy's Naj Quiz - Day 5
Icy North Started conversation Nov 5, 2011
A quick arithmetic brainteaser for you today.
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I can order McDonalds Chicken McNuggets in boxes of 6, 9 or 20.
What's the largest number of McNuggets I can't order exactly?
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Icy's Naj Quiz - Day 5
Rudest Elf Posted Nov 5, 2011
That looks like a pretty good answer, Bel. (The largest prime found to date is nearly 13 million digits long, and there must be even larger ones.)
But, Icy might just have something up his sleeve.
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toybox Posted Nov 5, 2011
We probably assume our world has literally endless supplies of nugget boxes exist
I was wondering when the first mathematic flavoured quiz would turn up
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Nov 5, 2011
I'm surprised that somebody hasn't suggested 42!
In fact it is 43.
Explanation to follow...
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Nov 5, 2011
Any number which is a multiple of 3, other than 3 itself, can be made up with combinations of 6's and 9's.
If the number is 44 or bigger then it must be one of the following:
a) a multiple of 3 - use 6's and 9's as above
b) one greater than a multiple of 3 - use two boxes of 20 nuggets, which leaves what's left as a multiple of 3, solve as above
c) two greater than a multiple of 3 - use one box of 20 nuggets, leaving what's left as a multiple of 3. Solve as above.
But for 43, this method fails, because when you take away the two boxes of 20 nuggets, you get 3 left over, which can't be satisfied by any combination of 6's and 9's.
That took me a few minutes to work out. Good puzzle, Icy.
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Icy North Posted Nov 5, 2011
I'm glad you enjoyed it, Gnomon.
Would you believe that McNuggets are at the epicentre of this particular branch of mathematical number theory?
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/McNuggetNumber.html
Maybe I'll write a guide entry about it one day.
Icy
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Recumbentman Posted Nov 5, 2011
Bravo you guys! A lovely puzzle that I was happy to leave to Gnomon.
I should say Bravi, but that would be hypernickety.
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Nov 5, 2011
I figured that one out because 6 and 9 are both multiples of 3. I wonder what the situation would be if the three numbers were relatively prime?
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Icy North Posted Nov 5, 2011
I'd need to read that Mathematica page.
It's not unlike the Chinese Remainder Theorem, which lets you solve systems of linear equations in different bases.
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Icy North Posted Nov 5, 2011
... Just read Mathematica:
For two numbers, g(a1,a2) = a1 a2 - (a1 + a2)
For three numbers,there is no closed-form solution, but a semi-explicit solution. However, I'd need to delve into mathematical journals for it.
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Rudest Elf Posted Nov 5, 2011
I was just supporting Bel.
On the other hand, if you are able to direct me to a reasonably local branch of McDonalds where I can realistically expect to be served (2 to the power of 43,112,609) -1 McNuggets, I'll agree to eat one.
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Nov 5, 2011
I thought it didn't exist either, and I was half way to proving it when I realised I was wrong, and figured out how to work out the answer.
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Icy North Posted Nov 6, 2011
Good question - Mathematica doesn't say in so many words. It appears to be the McNugget number for two coprime variables.
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toybox Posted Nov 6, 2011
I'd say, g(x,y) = the largest amount of mcnuggets you cannot buy if they are sold in packs of x and of y only.
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Pirate Alexander LeGray Posted Nov 6, 2011
I was just going through divisors of N=a20+b6+c9 cos I didn't know what else to do when I saw the answer. Cor I thought there was going to be a line of answers.
Still, when I got over 3(a2+b3)=3K for any K belongs to natural numbers I sort of saw the logic but still was a little peeved I didn't see it.
Not too convinced this is useful knowledge though.
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Pirate Alexander LeGray Posted Nov 6, 2011
K>1,a,b belong to N I'm clearing out cos my brain don't work.
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Recumbentman Posted Nov 7, 2011
Useful knowledge indeed, to see that there is an elegant solution to a puzzle.
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