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Are there really no other well known chefs from the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s? I could think of at least half a dozen British tv chefs from that period - ie, before the tv chef boom of the 90s. Would you count Graham Kerr for instance? Although he's not American, he's as much of an American tv chef as any of the others. And is Bobby Flay really in the same league as Julia and Emeril?

I was really thinking about Graham Kerr. He's appeared on a lot of US TV, but then I'd also include Jacques Pepin. There's a handful of other non-American chefs that I could add because of their American popularity. I don't know if that would be correct, because then I might open the door to the modern BBC talent seen in America as well. And *I* know frightfully little about Delia, for example. If anybody would like to collaborate I would be thrilled to include European chefs as well! There are a ton of them, and know only a little about most.

Bobby Flay's stock has certainly risen lately. He appears on Food Network almost as much as the NBC peacock appears up the dial. . . plus, the Iron Chef bit was popular (although I only recently heard of it). Popularity is one measure I ised to choose the chefs on the list. The irony is the James Beard is probably the least famous of those names today.

I would like to expand this article to include non-Americans, but I would need help.

I'll look toward to foodies group and see if I can't rustle up some additional interest in this thread/artcile.

Thanks for your feedback. . .

Friar

My vote would be to include Graham Kerr

Are you considering changing the entry to *all* well known television chefs, or just popular American television chefs even though they might not be American? I don't think Delia's ever been popular in the US has she?

How about The Two Fat Ladies and Jamie Oliver?

Ken Hom http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/celebritychefs/hom.shtml
Martin Yan - Yan Can Cook

OK, I'm going to remove the "from the US" part of the title and make some significant additions to this work.

The only reason for my reluctance to do so until now was my limited knowledge. I'll let everyone know, as I add the chefs, when updates are made. Hopefully I'll add two or three sections tonight.

First to be added: Jamie Oliver, Graham Kerr and Jacques Pepin.

Other additions proposed thus far = Two Fat Ladies, Ken Hom, Gordon Elliot and a yankee I have missed: Mario Batali.

Thanks for dragging my reluctant butt into including all these chefs. TV chefs are really popular all over the world and that should be reflected in this article.

Finally, other than the Iron Chef series, does anyone have have any chefs on TV from OUTSIDE the Western Hemisphere???

Friar

A fairly long section on Graham has been added, and I'm really glad I did add it. There was a lot to him that I did not know. . .

Jamie Oliver is next (and I'm fairly certain I won't be as happily suprised about his entry as I was about Graham's, but, hey!, he's really popular and youung, so I'll give the kid a chance; besides he's not nearly as annoying as Flay).

Friar, of the long parantheticals

OK, let me just say this:

the background for Jamie Oliver's website is very very very PINK!

It's as if he were struggling to make the cover of Teen Beat!
Plus he signs off his dairy with "Jamie O xxxx".

The thing I do for you people



Friar, skulking off to his tent

I was thinking about suggesting Mario but I wasn't sure if he was heavyweight enough... in terms of the tv chef hierarchy that is I'm glad you're going to include him

I'll go and read the entry again now.

Does New Zealand count as 'outside the Western Hemisphere'? There was a pair NZ chefs on tv in the UK who were as camp as Christmas. Can't for the life of me recall their names.

Madhur Jaffrey had a very popular Indian cuisine show on the BBC, and I believe she's known in America.

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Is this entry really ready for editing? It doesn't seem to me that everything discussed in the thread has been taken care of yet.

Well, I'm certainly willing to go either way with it.

I was totally meaning to add more chefs, and that seemed to be a popular opinion. But if I stick to American television, I really have covered just about everybody (there are guys like Mario, who I love, who I didn't enter yet). Jamie Oliver is much more a cook-book guy than TV guy here, but I was going to add him (despite his terrible and sticky sweet homepage).

So, I'm a little confused. I don't know if I'm satisfied or not. I would very much appreciate continued feedback. Especially because I hadn't really said I was finished yet and I was planning on doing more work, based on the opinions I've heard here.

I really only want the best article possible, and I'm in no hurry. But if the concensus is that it reads well as it stands, then I'll be ok with that too.

So although it's selected (which I'm floored, and totally flattered by), I'm willing to keep working if that's what the readers and peer reviewers think would help the article.

I'm all about trying to keep the front page glowing with great articles.

I haven't got much time right now - got to be at work soon, but the first and main thing about it that jumps out at me is the section 'TV chefs of the UK'. Apart from mentioning only one chef, this is an entry about US chefs, right? Is that section meant to be about chefs on American tv who aren't American? There are so many more, some of whom have been mentioned in the thread.

And I really like the section about other notables - there are many, like Mario, who could slot in there quite nicely (hey, you could even give Alton a plug there, and then reverse link to the Edited Entry about him when it's written - that one *will* happen, oh yes )

When the entry was selected I was in the midst of adding a UK section, so I started with Graham and the *poof* the entry got selected.

Graham can certainly be just included in to the entry and the header of Chefs of the UK can be dropped.

There are a legion of second tier folks who should get mention, like Mario.

I think I'll simply bring this up with the Sub-Editor and see where it goes. . .

Thanks for everyone's input!

Friar

Hi Friar,

I've looked through the entry, and I agree, it shouldn't have been submitted right now. If you want, I can e-mail Anna and ask her to undo it, or you can work on it and tell me when you're finished, so I can sub-edit it.

Do you know how long it'll take to write the things you want?

Robert

My fault - very sorry about that. I picked the entry too soon. However, I will try and make amends. What we'll do is get the sub to come over to this thread and so you can talk with him the changes you'd like. Also, when the entry comes back to us in-house, I can keep it in my in-box and incorporate anything you want to add. Please accept my apologies for this but rest assured, anything you want to add we'll do so before it goes up.

Sam.

Anything?

Mwahaha

Well, not ANYTHING!! Within reason, within reason.

> "What we'll do is get the sub to come over to this thread"

*waves*

Being as I don't seem to have made it clear enough, I am in fact the sub-editor for this entry

So feel free to start talking now

Robert

Sam:

Should I leave this entry alone until the changes are finished and then sub-edit it, or subedit the content that I have and let you deal with any updates?