A Conversation for Political Philosophy - Hobbes and the Socal Contract

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Feisor - -0- Generix I made it back - sortof ...

Sorry that it's taken so long but here goes .... and remember I know very little about the subject so it's suggestions onlysmiley - biggrin

In order to do this something called the social contract comes into play.
In order to do this, a concept called the social contract comes into play.


Hobbes presents one perception of social contract theory, and like most, begins
Hobbes presents one perception of social contract theory, and, like others, begins

The state of nature is an imaginary state, showing how Hobbes’s sees human beings in a pre-political age
The state of nature is an imaginary state, showing how Hobbes sees human beings in a pre-political age

Though Hobbes’s believes that humans
Though Hobbes believes that humans

Due to there egocentric nature Humans
Due to their egocentric nature humans

nothing big can ever be accomplished. No building, no society, nothing.

nothing big can ever be accomplished. No building, no society, nothing.
nothing big can ever be accomplished, no building, no society, nothing.

human psychology from Hobbes perspective
human psychology from Hobbes's perspective

a pretty bleak view of human nature in genera
a pretty bleak view of human nature in general

nature' is that it is a war

'of every man, against every man’

in a constant struggle for survival.

nature' is that it is a war 'of every man, against every man’ in a constant struggle for survival.


Hobbes view of the social contract runs as followsHe argues that it would not be beneficial for humans to remain in this state of nature, and in his eyes the only way to
Hobbes's view of the social contract is that it would not be beneficial for humans to remain in this state of nature, and in his eyes the only way to

but this would be contrary to mans egotistic
but this would be contrary to man's egotistic

everyone to surrender there own right
everyone to surrender their own right

and then someone breaks it, they will not be punished or lose
and when someone breaks it, they will not be punished or lose

So therefore he argues that it would be in the humans best instincts to attack first!
So therefore, he argues, it would be in the human's best interests to attack first!
*or*
So therefore, he argues, it would be in the human's instincts to attack first!

*depends on what you want to say ....*

But this still does not solve his problem, but the ‘primary covenant’ does! This involves everyone agreeing to transfer there right of self defence to a sovereign, who in turn will protect the citizens and keep the piece. And so this Th convent is the start of society

But this still does not solve the problem, but the ‘primary covenant’ does! The primary covenant involves everyone agreeing to transfer their right of self defence to a sovereign, who in turn will protect the citizens and keep the peace, and so this covenant is the start of society.

namely, if the leviathans power
namely, if the leviathan's power

* I'm not sure - but I think that terms like Primary Covenant and Leviathan should be capitalised *

there is little prevents them doing as they wish, and so replacing fear of everyone in state of nature with fear of the leviathan in society?

there is little that prevents them doing as they wish, thus replacing fear of everyone in state of nature with fear of the leviathan in society.


But the leviathan’s power is conditional; they are given it by the citizens on the condition that he keeps the peace. If they fail to do this then, Hobbes argues, they have the right to rebel and protect yourself, effectively returning you to the ‘state of nature’.

But the leviathan’s power is conditional; they are given it by the citizens on the condition that they keep the peace. If they fail to do this then, Hobbes argues, the citizens have the right to rebel and protect themselves, effectively returning the society to the ‘state of nature’.

*pronoun for the Leviathan ... they or he/she - needs to be standardised*

His picture of Human beings ignores the better side of human nature, for example selflessness and love, claiming that self preservation has the ability to override everything. And because he claims this, of course, his contract is going to look like the model ideal.

Hobbes's picture of human beings ignores the positive sides of human nature, for example selflessness and love, claiming that self preservation has the ability to override everything, and because he claims this, of course, his contract is going to look like the model ideal.

*this conclusion looks a little glib and probably needs expanding - possibly add other philosophers who dispute Hobbes's theory? *

That's it for now - let me know when and if you want me to look at it again. smiley - cheers



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Thank ya kindly smiley - smiley I'll get on it smiley - smiley


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