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Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor Started conversation Oct 11, 2014
Entry: Real Men Don't Carry Umbrellas: From Wellington to Obama - A87841380
Author: Dmitri Gheorgheni - U1590784
A few musings on my part on the historical importance of the brolly in military history.
This is Elektra's fault: she reads me 'fun facts to know and tell'.
A87841380 - Real Men Don't Carry Umbrellas: From Wellington to Obama
Nosebagbadger {Ace} Posted Oct 11, 2014
Looks like another (how many are you up to now?) great entry, Dmitri
I'll have another look for spelling et al errors when I get the chance, but seems pretty complete to me
Perhaps addition of a few links - greeks, romans etc. Certainly I feel that "a brief history of parasols" - A29303129, could be included, in comparison
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Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor Posted Oct 11, 2014
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BeowulfShaffer Posted Oct 12, 2014
This does a good job of covering the masculinity = not needing protection from the weather angle, but I wonder if the the Neville Chamberlain association should be included as well? I recently heard an NPR story claiming the umbrellas were tainted by association with him
http://www.npr.org/2014/09/30/352808170/hong-kongs-protest-umbrellas-have-a-deep-political-history
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Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor Posted Oct 12, 2014
Thanks for that link. That's interesting - and it's true, even Hitler made umbrella remarks.
I thought I'd leave that aspect out, because it was political rather than military. But it's a good topic on its own.
In the US, we should know better than to leave our politicians out in the rain. They don't do well. We lost a President that way, and it caused a constitutional crisis.
In 1841, William Henry Harrison gave the longest inaugural address in history, and he was 68, and the weather was awful, and, of course, ,no umbrella. 32 days later, he died of pneumonia.
The crisis was because the Constitution at the time didn't spell out what to do if a President died in office. Then the country got stuck with Tyler, who was not a happy choice.
A87841380 - Real Men Don't Carry Umbrellas: From Wellington to Obama
Nosebagbadger {Ace} Posted Oct 12, 2014
A87841380 - Real Men Don't Carry Umbrellas: From Wellington to Obama
Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor Posted Oct 12, 2014
A87841380 - Real Men Don't Carry Umbrellas: From Wellington to Obama
Nosebagbadger {Ace} Posted Oct 12, 2014
A87841380 - Real Men Don't Carry Umbrellas: From Wellington to Obama
Florida Sailor All is well with the world Posted Oct 12, 2014
Not only did he not have an umbrella, but he also refused the wear his hat and overcoat. The great war hero of the battle of 'Tippecanoe' thought that the weather was not a challenge. He was wrong
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Elektragheorgheni -Please read 'The Post' Posted Oct 12, 2014
Don't mess with Mother Nature -she'll get you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmVLcj-XKnM
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Elektragheorgheni -Please read 'The Post' Posted Oct 12, 2014
Sorry that link should be:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmVLcj-XKnM
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Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor Posted Oct 12, 2014
Okay, Julia Roberts aside, I've added a few links to this.
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Oct 13, 2014
This is a good entry, Dmitri. It's eminently suitable for the Guide, and the sort of thing I expect from you. (I didn't have to check to see who wrote it).
I'm slightly confused by one thing. Early in the entry, you say:
"often, only the ruler or his representatives got to be protected from the sun or rain. (Remember this fact; it's important.)"
This suggests that you're going to get back to this fact later in the entry. Then, later in the entry you say:
"wait for it, we told you this was going to be important…Army and Marine Corps personnel can carry umbrellas – if they're female. "
Interesting, but it is not actually what you told us was going to be important.
I'm also somewhat confused by your use of the terms Army, Navy and "Army and Marine Corps". When you say "Marine" do you mean Navy? And if so, you seem to be saying that Marines are not allowed carry umbrellas but Navy are.
Other phrasing:
to seek the protection of the velarium, an awning that was even used to cover the Colosseum.
-- you kind of spring the Colosseum on us her. Perhaps you could say it more gently:
to seek the protection of the velarium, an awning that was used to shade Roman streets and open areas, even being used to cover the Colosseum.
Where did the French get them? The Italians, partly,
-- I think this would be better as "From the Italian, partly".
A few typos:
Major Allison Digby Tatham-Warter . DSO, (you've used a full stop rather than a comma)
nly a bloody fool (you've left out the initial 'o')
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Lanzababy - Guide Editor Posted Oct 13, 2014
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Oct 13, 2014
I try to think like a stupid person when I'm reviewing entries, and as a result I'm easily confused.
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Lanzababy - Guide Editor Posted Oct 13, 2014
I don't actually have to try - I am that easily confused in the first place. Maybe it's because I used to read a lot of naval warfare stuff. Let's see what others say.
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Bluebottle Posted Oct 13, 2014
Excellent entry - did you know that Major Allison Digby Tatham-Warter was right to distrust the radios he'd been issued with, radio unreliability was a major factor of the failure at Arnhem. He also is reputed to have disabled a German armoured car using only his umbrella - by sticking it through the car's observation window.
http://www.pegasusarchive.org/arnhem/tatham_warter.htm
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Lanzababy - Guide Editor Posted Oct 13, 2014
Wonderful!
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ITIWBS Posted Oct 13, 2014
Tbe Marine Corps is a branch of the Navy, Naval infantry.
In Russia, they just call them 'Naval Infantry'.
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Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor Posted Oct 13, 2014
Wow.
Hey, Gnomon, thanks for the careful read. Those are excellent suggestions, and I'll get them implemented.
And BB, thanks, too, for the link on Tatham-Warter. What an interesting man. I'll work some of that info into the footnote.
About the Marine Corps: ITIWBS is exactly right, of course, being a US-type person. The US Marine Corps is a branch of service that is naval infantry. Originally, they answered to the Navy. But they're very proud of themselves, Halls of Montezuma and all that, and they do things the Marine Way. Semper Fi, and all that Leatherneck talk. I'll throw an eye over it, pretending to be a clueless British person , and try to make sure it's clear we're talking about the US Marine Corps.
to work on this.
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Peer Review: A87841380 - Real Men Don't Carry Umbrellas: From Wellington to Obama
- 1: Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor (Oct 11, 2014)
- 2: Nosebagbadger {Ace} (Oct 11, 2014)
- 3: Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor (Oct 11, 2014)
- 4: BeowulfShaffer (Oct 12, 2014)
- 5: Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor (Oct 12, 2014)
- 6: Nosebagbadger {Ace} (Oct 12, 2014)
- 7: Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor (Oct 12, 2014)
- 8: Nosebagbadger {Ace} (Oct 12, 2014)
- 9: Florida Sailor All is well with the world (Oct 12, 2014)
- 10: Elektragheorgheni -Please read 'The Post' (Oct 12, 2014)
- 11: Elektragheorgheni -Please read 'The Post' (Oct 12, 2014)
- 12: Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor (Oct 12, 2014)
- 13: Gnomon - time to move on (Oct 13, 2014)
- 14: Lanzababy - Guide Editor (Oct 13, 2014)
- 15: Gnomon - time to move on (Oct 13, 2014)
- 16: Lanzababy - Guide Editor (Oct 13, 2014)
- 17: Bluebottle (Oct 13, 2014)
- 18: Lanzababy - Guide Editor (Oct 13, 2014)
- 19: ITIWBS (Oct 13, 2014)
- 20: Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor (Oct 13, 2014)
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