A Conversation for Why God Doesn't Exist
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Insight Started conversation Sep 4, 2002
Several things here that either I would like to suggest an alternative view of, or blatantly disagree with the facts. You can decide which is which.
A simple biochemical process allows for most forms of life. It may (but I should hope doesn't!) allow for most humans. But I know it doesn't allow for mine, because I am self-aware. I am conscious of my existence, and mere physical processes do not allow for this.
With regard to the flood, I think there is a whole guide entry on that, so I won't bother discussing it again here.
Firstly, you must realise that not ALL religion 'entrenches its explanations as dogma and has a history of persecuting those who disagree', and not ALL scientists 'acknowledge where the explanation is weak and seek a better explanation.' It is also entirely untrue that we have seen evolution in action, it is not true that there is ample evidence for it, and not very many Christians believe that the creation took six days, because it is well known that the Hebrew word for day didn't always mean that.
The Universe may roll along happily without Gods influence. The human race, however, does not. And if God was currently unnecessary, it would be no reason not to believe in him, as the fact that the universe does not need a sustaining influence doesn't mean that it did not need a cause.
Human beings aside, physics does describe everything at the moment. But then, why shouldn't it? The Bible says that God is waiting, and that he will act when the time comes (and incidentally, that when that time comes, there will be no doubt in anyones mind that God is the cause).
Logically, for the same reason that he created man. Which I think is simply that it's what he enjoys doing. There's no ultimate reason that any of us do anything. And if atheism was accepted, the same question would still remain. You could still ask why the universe exists, and get no answer. Since the question is pretty unanswerable both ways, it can't prove either the existence or the non-existence of God.
Basically, you state this, but without any real reason. I don't see how man is going to achieve any greater potential by dismissing God. Rather, dismissing the idea of a higher being often causes people to feel they can be a law unto themselves, generally affecting society for the worse.
God holds out a promise for the future involving everlasting life and a perfect society. He also provides an ultimate reason for existence, and the opportunity to completely achieve it. Surely these are the highest potential we can possibly fulfil!
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R. Daneel Olivaw -- (User 201118) (Member FFFF, ARS, and DOS) ( -O- ) Posted Feb 27, 2003
How do you know that mere physical processes don't account for self conciousness? Can you give any evidence other than just belief?
One again, you logic is faulty. How do you know that the human race does need divine interference. And although we can't prove that the universe doesn't need a cause, neither can we prove it does.
Why do you assume that the universe needs to have a reason for being? I don't think it does and can give evidence if you're interested.
I disagre
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