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The Original Devon Pasty??
Ozzie Exile Started conversation Nov 14, 2006
The earliest written record of Pasties suggest that they may have actually originated in Devon rather than Cornwall.
Archivists have found the mention of a pasty in city records dating back to 1509 and 1510.
The reference to a "10d" pasty is included in an audited civic account book for Plymouth.
Historian Dr Todd Gray said the earliest record of a "Cornish" pasty was in a Devon recipe in 1746.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/cornwall/6144460.stm
Whether or not the Devon Pasty was the original or not, this certainly proves that Devon pasties are no recent imitation!!
The Original Devon Pasty??
PennRecca Posted Nov 14, 2006
I have heard it said, albeit some years ago, that a Cornish pasty has the crimp along the side whereas a Devon pasty has it along the top. Having lived and eaten the things in both counties I think there could once have been a tendency towards this, but I'm not sure if there is now.
The Original Devon Pasty??
Ozzie Exile Posted Nov 15, 2006
PenRecca,
I have also heard the same story on the difference on crimping between a Devon and Cornish Pasty..
Ginsters (owners) agree
http://www.samworthbrothers.co.uk/ourcompany_sub.asp?WID=4&sub_nav=company
Incidentally, here is another source of the 'great pasty debate' - this time from the Gruaniad.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/britain/article/0,,1946491,00.html
The Original Devon Pasty??
Ozzie Exile Posted Nov 15, 2006
...and one from the Independent
http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/food_and_drink/features/article1963564.ece
The Original Devon Pasty??
Plymouth Exile Posted Nov 15, 2006
The only top crimped pasties I have come across in Devon have been those nationally produced abominations. The Devon made pasties (such as Ivor Dewdney's in Plymouth) are side crimped. Incidentally, Dewdney's pasties outdate Ginsters by a long way.
The Original Devon Pasty??
Ozzie Exile Posted Nov 15, 2006
..and here is a link to the WMN.
Apparently it made the front page
http://www.westernmorningnews.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=141507&command=displayContent&sourceNode=201813&home=yes&more_nodeId1=201752&contentPK=15913360
This is an interesting extract
"But Ann Muller, who runs the award-winning Lizard Pasty Shop, said of the historic discovery: "I am delighted to hear this, as it links us more with our ancient tribal brothers."
The Original Devon Pasty??
PennRecca Posted Nov 15, 2006
Just to confuse this very important issue...
Although Dewdney's pasties are side-crimped, they do seem to have been originally advertised as Cornish, but were certainly made in Devon (and, of course, still are).
http://www.ivordewdney.co.uk/
Where does that leave us?
The Original Devon Pasty??
tivvyboy Posted Nov 16, 2006
I must admit I was one of those who thought Devonian pasties were crimped over the top as well, and that Cornish ones were traditionally the "half and half" as eaten by the Tin Miners.
But to find out the earliest written evidence is from our side of the Tamar fills this Devonian with pride.
The Original Devon Pasty??
electricEgyptian Posted Dec 10, 2006
Why argue? They're really fun to make:
http://www.cornish-links.co.uk/pasty.htm
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