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More than creative sex.
Alfredo Started conversation Nov 25, 2005
Marianne, an intentional female slave, has just passed her 30 years of age.
She lives in a far advanced bdsm-relation*. Master Peter is her owner.(literally).
Here you'll find extracts of her diary. Everything is made public with the approval of her master.
Scince a few years I visit the virtual café of a Dutch erotic website for women,although men are "tolerated, if they behave reserved". My national quality newspaper had written about it and so I surfed to see for myself. The website appeared to have different kinds of forums. Forums about sex in all it's diversities, including many practical questions, stories from female members, a forum for male members, photogalleries, etc. etc. ánd, as I said, a virtual café.
The website is nót commercial. It's all done by female volunteers and just one paid full-timer. A woman, ofcourse.
The atmosphere is unique compared to the rest at the www. Visitors are also mainly 20 to 40. Discussions in the café are held with great care and a very mature attitude. And there's a lot of humor.A lot to laugh about.Really.
One time in a year- or more times - about 20 visitors meet each other in a café in Holland or Belgium. Last time I was there too because it was held in Amsterdam. It was a very warm experience. I really enjoyed it and some others too, who went home a few days later.....
During my very first visit, I posted one of my stories in the topic "my first time" ;"Tracy, my first love" and I received lots of enthousiastic postings. It was overwhelming and after some time it inspired me to write more and more stories and when I discovered h2g2 it appeared to be a real home for me to write and share with you.
Besides a lot of off topics and friendships and humor, there appear to be also a few blogs. I did not know that, because the café is the heart of the website and I mainly stay and post there.
So I suddenly discovered this week the blogs. They appear to exist already for years.
The first one I did read was Marianne´s life with bdsm (bondage,dominance, sadism and masochism).
In the passed years I really changed my prejudices about it.
The women who explained their opinions and experians in the virtual café described it in terms of "balance","choice","delicate","intimate","orgasms","give and take",
"mature", choices, freedom, etc. etc.
Yes, men think mainly about images of women who are treated as a pig, etc. etc. It says more about them and me, then about the women who enjoy it and appear to be courageous and unshamed to share.It is known that men are far more conservative than women regarding sex.
One of the women I know at the virtual cafe for years appears to be one of the blogwriters. I know her as an intelligent, warm, caring person with an open attitude towards life.
Before I started to read some postings of her blog, I was already knock out by her introduction. She writes that short introduction not as "I", but as "she".
And here it is.
Quote;
`Marianne, an intentional female slave has just passed her 30 years of age.
She lives in a far advanced bdsm-relation. Master Peter is her owner.(literally).
Here you'll find extracts of her diary. Everything is made public with the approval of her master`.End of quote.
I fell knock out and I still am.
I choose to respond about it carefully in the virtual café. I have not looked at the postings after mine.
Every word almost bites in my body and soul.
I feel suffocated.
I wished and wish I didn´t know. But now I do.
And the more time passes by, the more it hurts.
Why.
Because I understand, that this is far and fár more than a delicate sexual game for one or some days in a row. She chose to live as a slave 24 hours a day. Thát. I don´t say that she can never change that choice. I assume there will be rituals for that. I hope. I believe.
`Master Peter is her owner.(literally)`.
I knów he doesn´t treat her as an animal.
I know that she isn´t insane, addicted to any drugs, etc. etc.
`Master Peter is her owner.(literally)`.
She writes, that her master has decided at what time she has to go to bed every day and far more then that.
In one occasian, she writes,she had been chatting untill twelve and `full of shame I call my Master on the phone and he told me I would get 65 spankings at my bottom. Most of the times it results for her in many orgasms, I must say.
`Master Peter is her owner.(literally)`
Isn´t she capable of dealing with equality, I wonder.
Is this a very complex way to get sexual satisfaction.
I could ask her, but I do not dare, because it will make me more vulnerable.
But why `owner`
Why `litterary`
Why every day, seven days a week, all the seasons /since two years /
Why calling your master because you `feel réally guilty` by not going to bed as he decided.
This reaches out much further away than erotic relations.It covers her entire way of living.
Thát´s wy heart is bleeding.
I cannot help it.
Maybe I am all wrong and I appear to stumble over my own prejudices.I don´t think so.
I stumble in a land that isn´t my own and never will be. Not in this way.
`He is my master. Literary`
It wounds me.
I almost feel being a participant, because I know.
But this is even the easy part of my pain. Well or notleaving the website, although I really like a lot of people there, including hér, and I really like the quality of the site.
At least I had the strenght for a clear,but cal,m posting in the topic about her blog.
I feel a real shock of imagining a woman who makes BDSM as a way of living, all day long, all nights long, all the days of the passed two years and there will be more to come.
She has two children, although I realize that I do nót kwow about what théy know.
Why does she `feel réally guilty` by not going to bed as he decided.
What does it stand for, and why does she prefer Quote, `him to bind me with a long rope in the Japanese way, because that way I reveive móre of his attention, in stead of just binding me in ten minutes`.End quote.
`Attention, attentio, attenti, attent, atten, atte, att, at, a,............
Is her way of living the ónly option for her to experience `attention`.
Well, I choose not to ask hér, or others, at the website and neither here at h2g2, although feel free to react from what this posting does with you.
I realize that she is the ónly one that answer my questions.
By writing this all down, I am trying to calm and lay these questions to rest, away , as
written letters on a screen, and not as nails in my doul.
I don´t want to accept it, only as a way of living.
I´ll go on with my own journey through life.
`He is my master. Literary`
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bdsm (bondage,dominance, sadism and masochism).
She uses another name then here in my posting.
Greetings from Amsterdam.
More than creative sex.
Alfredo Posted Nov 25, 2005
I started this posting with a Quote.
She has written that herself as introduction.
Quote;
"Marianne, an intentional female slave, has just passed her 30 years of age.
She lives in a far advanced bdsm-relation*. Master Peter is her owner.(literally).
Here you'll find extracts of her diary. Everything is made public with the approval of her master".
More than creative sex.
Alfredo Posted Nov 25, 2005
The text át the very beginning is, as I said, written by Marianne herself, although she writes as "she".
What follows is written by me, Alfredo
So, "Scince a few years I visit the virtual café" etc.=
"since a few years I = Alfredo , visit the virtual café" etc.
I'm sorry
First posting rewritten.
Alfredo Posted Nov 25, 2005
(There were so many mistakes in my first posting, that I decided to rewrite it).
Since a few years I, Alfredo, visit the virtual café of a Dutch erotic website for women, although men are "tolerated, if they behave reserved".
My national quality newspaper had written about it and so I surfed to see for myself. The website appeared to have different kinds of forums. Forums about sex in all it's diversities, including many practical questions, stories from female members, a forum for male members, photogalleries, etc. etc. ánd, as I said, a virtual café.
The whole website is nót commercial. It's all done by female volunteers and just one paid full-timer. A woman, ofcourse.
The atmosphere is unique ,compared to what I think the rest is at the www.
Visitors are mainly 20 to 40. Discussions in the café are held with care and a very mature attitude. And there's a lot of humor.A lot to laugh about.Really.
One or two times in a year about 20 members of the website meet each other in a café in Holland or Belgium. Last time I joined too, because the meeting was in Amsterdam. It was a very warm experience. I really enjoyed it and some others too, who went home a few days later.....
During my very first visit, I posted one of my stories in the topic "my first time". It was the story "Tracy, my first love" F134334?thread=304462 and I received unexpectedly at that website lots of postings. It was overwhelming and after some time it inspired me to write more and more stories and when I discovered h2g2 it appeared to be a real home for me to write and share it here with you.
Besides a lot of "off topics" and friendships and humor, there appear to be at that site also a few blogs. I did not know that, because the café is the heart of the website and I mainly stay and post there.
So I suddenly discovered this week the blogs. They appear to exist already for years.
The first one I did read was Marianne´s life with bdsm = bondage, dominance, sadism and masochism.
In the passed years I really changed my prejudices about it.
The women who explained their opinions and experiences in the virtual café described it in terms of "balance","choice","delicate","intimate","orgasms","give and take",
"mature", choices, freedom, etc. etc.
It's true that men believe SM-women just want to be treated as a pig, etc. etc. It says more about them and me, then about the women who enjoy it and appear to be courageous and unshamed enough to even share, with their nickname.
It is true, that men are far more conservative than women regarding sex.
One of the women I know from the virtual cafe for years, appears to be one of the blogwriters I just descovered. I know her as an intelligent, warm, caring person with an open attitude towards life.
Before I started to read some postings of her blog, I was already knocked out by her introduction. She writes that short introduction not as "I", but as "she".
And here it is.
Quote;
`Marianne, an intentional female slave has just passed her 30 years of age. She lives in a far advanced bdsm-relation. Master Peter is her owner.(literally). Here you'll find extracts of her diary. Everything is made public with the approval of her master`. End of her quote.
I did feel knocked out and I still am.
I choose to respond about it carefully in the virtual café. I have not looked at the postings after mine..
Every word almost bites in my body and soul.
I feel suffocated.
I wished and wish I didn´t know. But now I do.
And the more time passes by, the more it hurts.
Why?
Because I understand, that this is far and fár more than a delicate sexual game. She appears to live as a complete slave 24 hours in a day, seven days a week, four weeks a month, twelve months a year, since 2003. Thát.
I don´t say that she can never change that choice. I assume there will be rituals for that. I hope. I believe.
Quote;"Master Peter is her owner.(literally)".
I knów he doesn´t treat her as an animal.
I know that she isn´t insane, addicted to any drugs, etc. etc.
"Master Peter is her owner.(literally)". These words echo in my soul.
Marianne writes, that her "master has decided" at what time she has to go to bed every day and far, far more then that.
In one occasian, she writes, she had been chatting untill twelve and "full of shame I call my Master on the phone and he told me I would get 65 very hard spankings at my cheeks". Most of the times it results for her in orgasms, which is not unimportant.
"Master Peter is her owner.(literally)"
Isn´t she capable of dealing with equality, I wonder.
Is this a very complex way to get sexual satisfaction.
I could ask her, but I do not dare, because it will make me more vulnerable.
But why "owner"
Why "litterary"
Why every day, seven days a week, all the seasons /since two years /
Why calling your master because you "really feel guilty" by not going to bed as he decided.
This reaches out much further than erotic relations.In my opinion.
It covers her entire way of living and hurts me.
Thát´s why my heart is bleeding.
I cannot help it.
Maybe I am all wrong and I appear to stumble over my own prejudices,but I don´t think so.
I stumble in a land that isn´t my own and never will be. Not in this way.
"He is my master. Literary"
It wounds me, álso because I myself had my "master" in the first 18 years of my life. My mother who fully claimed my attention for all her sorrows. I realize that that is part of my shock. But not all.
I almost feel being a participant, because I know now.
Well or not leaving the website and its community is the first choise to make.
At least I had the strength for a clear, but calm posting in the topic about her blog. The knowledge makes me a participant, tháts wat buggs me.
I feel a real shock by imagining a human being who makes SM as a way of living. Who literary lives as a slave all day long, all nights long, all the days of the passed two years and there will be more to come.
She has two children, although I realize that I do nót kwow about what théy know.
Now she's a person who does "feel réally guilty", by not going to bed as he decided.
What does it stand for, and why does she prefer, Quote, "him to bind me with a long rope in the Japanese way, because that way I receive móre of his attention, in stead of just binding me in ten minutes". End quote.
`Attention, attentio, attenti, attent, atten, atte, att, at, a,............
Is her way of living the ónly option for her to experience "attention".
Well, I choose not to ask hér, or others, at the website and neither here at h2g2, although feel free to reáct from what this posting does with yourselves.
I realize that she is the ónly one that can answer my questions.
By writing this all down, I am trying to calm and lay these questions to rest, far away , as written letters on a screen, and not as nails in my soul.
I don´t want to accept this way of living. I revólt.
I´ll go on with my own journey through life.
`He is my master. Literary`
`He is my master. Literary`
`He is my master. Literary`
`He is my master. Literary`
`He is my master. Literary`
`He is my master. Literary`
`He is my master. Literary`
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`He is my master
`He is my maste
`He is my mast
`He is my mas
`He is my ma
`He is my m
`He is my
`He is m
`He is
`He i
`He
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She uses another name in her blogs ,then here in my posting.
First posting rewritten.
Alfredo Posted Nov 26, 2005
"literary" must be "literally".
We all keep learning, every day, everywhere.
First posting rewritten.
I'm not really here Posted Nov 26, 2005
What made you post this here? Was it just the title?
First posting rewritten.
Alfredo Posted Nov 26, 2005
Yes, the title as well as the subject.
In the subject of this Entry there is álso a link to "bondage" and
I was just this week confronted with a very troubling variant.
So I thought, that when I had written about it in my Journal I could also do my contribution at this entry by a simple copy-paste.
That's it.
I'm sorry for the first messages, because it was very confusing for readers and misunderstanding would be very confusing in this subject.
Greetings from Amsterdam,
Alfredo
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