A Conversation for The Current Theory of Relativity, Time Dialation and All
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All-Is-Madness Started conversation Aug 10, 2001
the big thing about the Theory (and the rest of the work)is this
1) there is no preferred frame of reference, so i can say your clock is slow and your ruler to long but you could argue my clock to fast and tuler to short, and the thing is we are both right from our own point of view and the universe dosnt care about either.
2) Space and time are connected, they arnt seperate things they are part of the same whole, to influence one will influence the other.
3) Gravity and Acceleration have the same effect if your blindfolded you wont know the difference between a good acceleration in space or being in a gravity field, therefore they are related if one can bend spacetime so can the other, gravity can (proven by the solar eclipse experiment).
other theories and work
1) Matter and Energy are connected, with lightspeed being invloved as a constant,
mass is based on rest mass and mass due to velocity, (see the grav interchangeable with acc point) so anytime you accelerate or slow down your mass changes, now most of the time this is fractions of an atom's weight and irrelevant but once you try to move at speeds approaching light that factor starts to become relevant and actually adds mass that makes it harder to accelerate.
(this is also like the gravity equation, 2 people in a room have a force of gravity between them but its too small to do anything you need something weighing billions of tons to actually do anything.)
2) it is provable by extremly hard maths, or a diagram that takes a lot of explaining but is alot simpler
that a ship that can accelerate to near the speed of light in no time at all and turn around and go back at the same speed taking no time can 'skip' a period of time os depending on numbers longer passes everywhere else than on the ship, for the ship it appears they just get on fly around things outside seem to go too fast and when they land hours later years have passed,
This is all provable but not easily,
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GAHD, Misspeller of Words, Keeper of Things that never were and have yet to be; Posted Aug 11, 2001
true, true, but I'm not finished that entry yet, because I've been too busey in non-online life.
'passes everywhere else than on the ship, for the ship it appears they just get on fly around things outside seem to go too fast and when they land hours later years have passed,'
my problem with it, is that time is a constant no matter what you may think, so even if you were traveling at near-light speeds, time for you would go at the same rate as everywhere else.
'Gravity and Acceleration have the same effect'
and that's exactly MY point, Acceleration has basically the same effect as gravity, but in acceleration it's not because of attraction(as gravity) it's because of repulsion(particles pupushing you forward have the same feeling as those pulling you down).
I'm posting a rough version of my whole throry, which I'llbet is provable in much simpler ways, and which will explain the examples I used above (my versions) in far greater detail, examples included.
BTW, If you want, make a page of that list you just posted, and I'll link to it from my Project main page, and give you co-auther status.
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All-Is-Madness Posted Aug 11, 2001
But you see
Time isnt constant in any sense or form, the only reason we all agree with each other is that our speeds our relativly identical and in any case neither they nor our individual speeds from running this way that way going faster than sound, are fast enough to cause temporal effects which need speeds approachng0.75light speed.
the ship is the twin paradox where twins are born one is put on a ship that flies away at near light, turns around comes back nad one twin is a newborn(from the ship) and the other is say 6 years old, now this works in relativity even though people say but you cant take the ship as being still and make the other twin older its impossible, (that by the way is most arguments against relativity)
the Ship flying away and experiencing less time works as the ship experiences a change, acceleration to almost light speed meaning it is now able to be treated as something seperate from everything else because it feels a unique change.
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GAHD, Misspeller of Words, Keeper of Things that never were and have yet to be; Posted Aug 22, 2001
btw, it's weight that changes with gravity/acceleration, mass is constant (though you seem to think it changes with speed as energy = matter)
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All-Is-Madness Posted Aug 22, 2001
a proven equation thanks to particle accelerators
(that wouldnt work if relativity was wrong)
energy^2 = Mo^2(restmass)c^4 + p^2c^2
where p is the momentum which is mass times velocity.
so as the velocity reaches c this would become a large term around the same as the mass^2c^4 term infact they equal but in the momentum its relative mass
with the 1/sqrt(1-(v^2/c^2)) involved
if you are right then all these particle accelerators that make particles do things to prove why everything we see happens wouldnt work.
they do work
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GAHD, Misspeller of Words, Keeper of Things that never were and have yet to be; Posted Aug 28, 2001
Exactly. The experiments were designed to proove a point, and are therefore biosed. How long untill The experiment could proove their point? Give me the same amount of time, scientists with the same qualifications, and the same funding, and I'll probably be able to proove the exact opposite.
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