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Post 1

myk

A very good question; so how does it work?


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Post 2

Gnomon - time to move on

I suppose we could ask Jim Lynne who wrote the code for h2g2. But that would be cheating.


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Post 3

myk

No! Dont think like that. Ask! Ask! Thats what i say!smiley - smiley

Thanks for writing the entry, it is an interesting subject.smiley - cheers

When will you ask Mr Lynne? I am sure he will be happy to tell you.smiley - cool


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Post 4

Gnomon - time to move on

You could ask him yourself, if you like. He's U6.


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Post 5

Gnomon - time to move on

Oh, and his surname is Lynn, rather than Lynne as I said earlier.


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Post 6

myk

I think he might take more notice if you asked him , after all it was your guide entry, i will if you wont though; i might come back and ask if you for a translation of his answer though.smiley - smiley


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Post 7

myk

" ..come back and ask for a translation of his answer though."smiley - ok

Btw thanks! " Mr Lynn"smiley - cheers


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Post 8

myk

I posted a message for Jim Lynn, i hope someone will answer it.
This is what i asked him:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/brunel/A43234292

and this is what i originally intended:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/brunel/A43234265

smiley - laugh


Those entries were within 2 minutes of each other and there is a 30 difference leaving aside the final digit.
I shall try and compare,with two short entries in succession .smiley - cheers


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Post 9

myk

Hey i think i have figured how to calculate the entry number; but how it actually works is still somewhat of a mystery.


if i add up any guide number that i come accross they always add up to a number ending with nine

the last digit is always whatever digit is needed to make the number add up to nine

i think you are right every guide entry number is ten digits apart, giving scope for a checksum digit at the end

when i worked this out i thought maybe there was a zero at the end of a number ending in 9 so that the guide entry format of ( eight at the moment ) numbers stays the same; however i can see from the examples you have given that this is not the case ( although these guide entry numbers are in three number format )

am i anywhere near right?????smiley - smiley


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Post 10

Gnomon - time to move on

What about A199 ?


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Post 11

Gnomon - time to move on

Oh, I see. 1 + 9 + 9 = 19 which ends in 9.


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Post 12

myk

well it ends in nine so it fits ; it must be a two digit number that has nine added wich signifies the checksum has been done; what i thought earlier about zero i think is not right , i think maybe it is like this entry number which has nine so add a nine .

What do you think?smiley - smiley


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Post 13

Gnomon - time to move on

Here's an interesting thing:

A12340
A12341
A12342
A12343
A12344
A12345
A12346
A12347
A12348
A12349

h2g2 automatically converted the last one to a link, because it is a valid number for an entry. But that particular entry is the personal space of a researcher so when you click on it, it brings you not to the entry but to their personal space.


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Post 14

Gnomon - time to move on

And I can tell that that particular researcher registered on h2g2 on either the day it was launched or the next day, because his User number is less than 30,000.


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Post 15

myk

Yes i supose it is because of what you suggested in your entry; each entry number is 10 digits apart to give scope for the checksum digit at the endm , which is 1 to 9 right ? So the numbers in between dont count and are lost forever or just whitespace kind of.

This only applies to the 2nd digit from the left , the tens digit , in every guide entry number so for the hundreds thousands tenthousands etc ... there are no missing numbers


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Post 16

myk

Yes you are right, very odd, there is no reference to that guide entry number is there ?


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Post 17

myk

A123450
A123451
A123452
A123453
A123454
A123455
A123456
A123457
A123458
A123459

smiley - smiley?


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Post 18

myk

A1234560
A1234561
A1234562
A1234563
A1234564
A1234565
A1234566
A1234567
A1234568
A1234569

smiley - smileysmiley - somersault


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Post 19

myk

Still no reply from Jim Lynn
Hey thanks my friend for introducing me to the wonderful world of the checksum.smiley - smiley
That last link is a strange one, just a bbc search page; would be interesting to see the first few pages in order, or maybe notsmiley - ermsmiley - laugh



XSUM smiley - cool


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Post 20

Gnomon - time to move on

I think the A numbers are not exclusive to h2g2, they are used for all the DNA sites.


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