h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

Okay theres some points have to disagree on with what this is all about.

My sisters ten. Now im not totally nieve. I know shes probibly seen blood and carnage galore on tv screens, but i wouldnt want her watching certain things. You havent really specified what you want yet. If you want them unedited where and when would you want them on, and if you want them on at time X why is that an appropriate time?
Also, you idea of editing people is totally wrong. Im 17, and plan to edit films and the like after university, and you have no idea of how hard it is to actually do. The anime you've watched that contains no blood,violence,etc has been extremely carefully edited, taking some poor guy hours to do so he doesnt mess up the story.

Plus, how do you know they've been edited out? I assume you've watched them on video or some such media form, which is how you know that there edited and havent just found out off what someones said in a chatroom/message forum. In which case why do you want them on tele? Surely you realise just how horrific some sceens can be to a younger audience. What age does your group beleive that Anime is appropriate for young children?

I have seen anime clips and snippets over the years (though few bits i can recall off hand), and from what i remember i've enjoyed it.
What im trying to say is that you should put up on this entery what you beleive is acceptable times and restraints on anime violence. At the moment the entery sounds as if you want anime on at convienent times, and so what if it disturbs some small children.

OK, you bring up some fair points, here is wt I have to say:

"My sisters ten. Now im not totally nieve. I know shes probibly seen blood and carnage galore on tv screens, but i wouldnt want her watching certain things. You havent really specified what you want yet. If you want them unedited where and when would you want them on, and if you want them on at time X why is that an appropriate time?"

I am willing to accept a watershed hour, if that's what you mean.

"Also, you idea of editing people is totally wrong. Im 17, and plan to edit films and the like after university, and you have no idea of how hard it is to actually do. The anime you've watched that contains no blood,violence,etc has been extremely carefully edited, taking some poor guy hours to do so he doesn't mess up the story."

Oh, please, the show is already edited before it is broadcast in Japan, what the American does is not edit it but Americanize it in order to make it acceptable to what is judged to be good taste. I recognize that some editing is necessary, like if a particular scene gives people seizures or there's a Jaanese word which doesn't ake sense in English, but there's really no reason to remove the blood and stuff. The 'poor guy' would have a much easier job if he left the blood in, and we already have hundreds of kiddie-friendly shows, is it so wrong to look for something a bit more mature for an older audience?

Also, guns and stuff in animé tend to be treated as the dangerous, lethal things they are, whereas in something like Bugs Bunny, character are regularly blown up by shotguns but they do not die. Which image do you think is healthier? On the subject of BB, there is one episode where he kills a bunch of gangsters with a machine gun, and this isn't a typical cartoon death where they're not really dead, or they go to Heaven, they're just dead, gone, and the overall tone is one of happiness. Do you really think that this is acceptable TV for little kids? Animé, meaniwhile, tends makes a big deal about such a massacre and the psychological impacts on all concerned.

Then, of course, there is the case of Sailor Moon. In Japan, this one had lesbians in it. The American one does not. American kintergarten readers are required to produce version featuring same-sex marriages to show that that's OK. What's wrong with this picture?

"Plus, how do you know they've been edited out? I assume you've watched them on video or some such media form, which is how you know that there edited and havent just found out off what someones said in a chatroom/message forum."

Yes, I actually have seen a fair bit of unedited animé. Most of it osn't as extreme as you seem to think. Do you want a list?

"In which case why do you want them on tele? Surely you realise just how horrific some sceens can be to a younger audience. What age does your group beleive that Anime is appropriate for young children?"

I am 17. My mouth is far from clean, but 5-year-old curse more than me. Also, the most popular children's shows are things like Brookside and Footballer's Wives, which feature excessive violence, cursing, and sex. Animé may not be technically appropriate, but neither is a lot of stuff they do watch. And if parents think that something is unsuitable for little Bobby, thay can always just say "Don't watch that."

Overall, my problem is not so much with the fact that it is edited as with the hypocricies involved, ie Bugs bunny and Sailor Moon, plus Spawn, which is far more extreme and yet escapes unedited. If these did not exist, I would still mind, given that free-speech loving Americans are editing foreign TV in order to make it 'acceptable,' but I would not mind as much.

"I am willing to accept a watershed hour, if that's what you mean."
Yes a watershed hour would be appropriate, and id be quite happy to see it on around the midnight mark, just to play safe and so the maximum amount of anime would be left unedited.

"Oh, please, the show is already edited before it is broadcast in Japan, what the American does is not edit it but Americanize it in order to make it acceptable to what is judged to be good taste. I recognize that some editing is necessary, like if a particular scene gives people seizures or there's a Jaanese word which doesn't ake sense in English, but there's really no reason to remove the blood and stuff. The 'poor guy' would have a much easier job if he left the blood in, and we already have hundreds of kiddie-friendly shows, is it so wrong to look for something a bit more mature for an older audience?"

Actually if he left things in then it probibly wouldnt make sense. Its extremely complex to explain, but to put it simply you have to stick to certain laws within your own country, and then still make something that makes sense, this unfortunately means cutting huge swaths of footage, but rather that then creating something that makes bugger all sense.
About the show being edited before it is broadcast - well, yes like any program. Like anything it has to stick to certain laws, some of which dont apply to video. If you want to totally uncut one, buy videos.
If all you want from an anime is violence, ill be happy to create a simple gore fest in a media suite if you gave me some material i could use. But, it would make bugger all sense and simply wouldnt work as a film.

The BB referance to the gangster killings depends on the role of BB himself. If he was on the side of the law then probibly yes it gives a possitive message (dont be a criminal or a huge bunny with a machine gun will come and get you). My point is a young audience knows that BB is fake. Hes a six foot talking rabbit, i think they guessed. But anime is usually a lot more realistic (weapons for instance),as well as the charecters themselves who are usually emotional (unlike cartoons). A child might watch a BB cartoon and be entertain, but not want to do it, where as with the more realistic anime, the child may believe that what there seeing is life (horrible violence, death, blood etc) and might be afraid perhaps.
Ill admit im not totally clued on the telvisions effect on children arguement, but there is a consensus that there is an effect of some sort.

"Yes, I actually have seen a fair bit of unedited animé."
To be smart here, ill have to say that all the anime you've watched is edited bar non. There is always a peice, frame, or section, left on the cutting room floor. Thats the buisness of editing.
And why do you want it on tv? if you can get it quite easily on video, whats to stop you getting all the anime you want that tickles your fancy? The only problem could be money, in which case id have to be harsh and say if thats what you want - work for it.

"I am 17. My mouth is far from clean, but 5-year-old curse more than me. Also, the most popular children's shows are things like Brookside and Footballer's Wives, which feature excessive violence, cursing, and sex."
To quote a phrase, "oh,please".
Brookside finished not so long ago and was in its hay day a soap with carefully edited violence (you never see the victim getting attacked, only the actor attacking e.g. maxines death in corronation street) footballers wives is on late enough for the parents to decide whether children watch it (what age there ready for instance)

Anime is still a specialist genre, and so will unlikely be on tv regularly. But if you can get so called un-edited anime whats the problem with it not actually being on tele. You can watch your anime, everyone else can watch something else. Wheres the actual problem with anime not being on tele?

"To be smart here, ill have to say that all the anime you've watched is edited bar non. There is always a peice, frame, or section, left on the cutting room floor. Thats the buisness of editing.
And why do you want it on tv? if you can get it quite easily on video, whats to stop you getting all the anime you want that tickles your fancy? The only problem could be money, in which case id have to be harsh and say if thats what you want - work for it."

When did I say I watched it on video? The only animé I've seen on video/DVD is Akira, and animé DVDs are extremely hard to get, at least where I live. On channel, called CNX, used to show unedited animé regularly, but now does not.

"You can watch your anime, everyone else can watch something else."

So why not have it on TV?

"Brookside finished not so long ago and was in its hay day a soap with carefully edited violence (you never see the victim getting attacked, only the actor attacking e.g. maxines death in corronation street) footballers wives is on late enough for the parents to decide whether children watch it (what age there ready for instance)"

If parents feel their children can watch Footballer's Wives, I don't see any problems with animé.

"If all you want from an anime is violence, ill be happy to create a simple gore fest in a media suite if you gave me some material i could use. But, it would make bugger all sense and simply wouldnt work as a film."

That's not what I said, all I said was that there was no real point in removing it, and the guy who went to the trouble of drawing it in the first place probably feels seriously offended that his work is judged 'unsuitable.'

"The BB referance to the gangster killings depends on the role of BB himself. If he was on the side of the law then probibly yes it gives a possitive message (dont be a criminal or a huge bunny with a machine gun will come and get you). "

No, he was playing the role of a gangster. And anyway, the black lines would probably tell a kid that animé is not real.

"And anyway, the black lines would probably tell a kid that animé is not real."

Do you prefer anime to say a warner bros or disney cartoon?
Are the charecters more human then a 6 foot rabbit or a 3 foot pig.

"When did I say I watched it on video? The only animé I've seen on video/DVD is Akira, and animé DVDs are extremely hard to get, at least where I live. On channel, called CNX, used to show unedited animé regularly, but now does not."

You never did but i assumed that you did and for that i appologise. But to raise that point, why dont you simly watch them on video? if you want them absolutely totally uncut, then thats the only way your going to truely get them. All media is edited hussassan, anime is no different. Your looking for the word uncut.

"That's not what I said, all I said was that there was no real point in removing it, and the guy who went to the trouble of drawing it in the first place probably feels seriously offended that his work is judged 'unsuitable.'"
Yes, there is. cartoons are designed for kids. If the anime was designed to be shown at certain times, then thats when it should be shown. As for the guy who feels seriously offended, well the guy who edits it due to law probibly feels more offended because his job doesnt have a script and occasionaly he will literally have to wing it and hope what comes out still makes sense.
As an example, the most recent peice of anime i have seen is the section from kill bill, and i wouldnt want a child seeing that due to its content (child sex, violence, death)

"So why not have it on TV?"
Give a good reason for anime to be on tv, other then because you like anime and because it has a growing cult following in britain.


If you want anime, buy it in shops. If not, learn japanesse and get it imported. Theres no huge demand, and the majority of manime is designed for an adult audience.
Sorry, but thats life.

I don't quite understand why there's a fuss about 5 year olds watching violent anime. Is it too much to expect a parent to do their job and change the channel?

What happened there?

What happened where?

nothing the post got hidden for a second..

The thing is though, if there was something like real sex, a program which details various aspects of the sex industry, you wouldnt expect it on at say, 6 o'clock.

I have no problem with any anime, but it should be kept at certain times just like all other things. If you want it on at certain other times buy the video

Oh yes. I forgot I'm on pre-mod...

I think it goes without saying that a hentai wouldn't be shown before the watershed. I suppose we could argue about whether lesser forms of nudity - 'Barbie doll' nudity in Sailor Moon and Tenchi Muyo - would count as being watershed material, especially considering that other than that and a bit of innuendo these series' are very much lightweight...but I am too tired right now!

I must agree with your last point though. By far the easiest way round this issue is to buy the video/DVD and watch uncensored goodness to your heart's content in the privacy of your room. It may seem daunting at first - where do you get the more obscure stuff? - but if you ask for directions you'll find plenty of places to buy from. eBay!

Pretty much my entire point.

The availablity of Anime, Manga, pretty much anything you want, is out there. You've just got to pay a little extra for the convinence of watching it when you like to. But in turn, if its something you really like then it shouldnt be a problem.

Pretty much my entire point!