A Conversation for The Irish Civil War
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Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor Started conversation Nov 18, 2005
Great entry - really clear and succinct.
Isn't it a shame that all the wars of independence end up with civil war as the next phase? All the ones I can think of, anyway. It's almost like it's some kind of horrible law of history.
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Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor Posted Nov 18, 2005
Maybe because people come together for a cause, but had different visions of the outcome. That's just speculation.
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Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor Posted Nov 19, 2005
I wondered - sounded like some sort of Irish hip-hop slang.
Where did you go to school, may I ask? (So I can avoid that neighbourhood.)
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Lash LeRue Posted Nov 20, 2005
A tiny all boys school in north County Cork, dont worry about avoiding it, blink and you'll miss it.
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Lash LeRue Posted Nov 20, 2005
My town was originally called Killmecruggan
But then in 19th century everyone got together and changed it to Newmarket which sounds a hell of a lot better.
Mississpi, I knew a fella who went there once, said it was hot.
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Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor Posted Nov 20, 2005
We have a lot of names here in Pennsylvania which are unfortunate like that. There's a place near Philadelphia, where all the big office parks are now, called King of Prussia. It's named after an 18th-Century inn that was there. And they had to rename Beaver College recently - the name was losing students.
There's a Newmarket in Virginia. If you're ever there, you can stay in a motel that's smack dab in the middle of the old Civil War battlefield.
Mississippi in August is hot as heck. The hottest I've ever been was in the cemetery where some of my folks are buried - well over 90 degrees F in the shade, with humidity near 100% - you can wring your clothes out.
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Recumbentman Posted Nov 21, 2005
Wars of independence inevitably followed by civil wars -- it shows that coalitions to achieve a single aim cannot survive the achievement. The killing only stops when everyone is sufficiently sick of it.
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Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor Posted Nov 21, 2005
An interesting idea - and I think it's true, unfortunately.
Is there any way out of that trap, I wonder?
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Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor Posted Nov 21, 2005
Good thought. You think the Conflict Resolution people are onto something, then? It does seem to work for Jimmy Carter, at least sometimes.
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Recumbentman Posted Nov 21, 2005
I do. Dammit, even Churchill said "jaw-jaw is better than war-war" . . .
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Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor Posted Nov 21, 2005
Did he? Good point. The trick would be to get negotiators who were good enough to *keep* people talking past the point where they usually give up and start shooting again. Or am I wrong?
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Recumbentman Posted Nov 22, 2005
My image of the birth of philosophy is: finding common ground between people of different political/ethnic/faith groups. In philosophy you can agree to disagree, and still co-operate and live together.
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Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor Posted Nov 22, 2005
Absolutely. That's funny - that's a point we were just reaching with our rpg - talking about the diversity of expectations, and even little things such as dialects, and whether you had dinner or supper, or sat on a sofa or a couch.
The goal isn't to make everyone the same - that's what McDonald's wants to do, so it can have reliable consumers. The goal, I think, is to make enough room so everybody can grow.
The problem is when people are surprised by what that means, and say to someone else, oh, you can't do that. It disturbs me.
Example - people in the US who claim they are being 'persecuted' because they can no longer force people of other faiths to participate in public displays of evangelical Christianity. That's not faith - that's just bullying.
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