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It is Chinese land....this is the reason....

That is not a 'reason' at all, merely a mistaken belief in Maoist propaganda.

Communist china, which claims to be a "super power" is behaving like a peevish two year who, having stolen someone else's toy, is refusing to give it up.

The rest of the world should treat china as a two-year old thief; chastise it and ban its outing party, the Olympics.

Tibet never belonged to china, and never should. The world was foolish in meekly accepting china's stealing Tibet.

Majotso, you should study history and stick to fact before you form your oppinion. One should only look into fact instead of expressing emotional outburst. From which historic book have you read that Tibetan is stolen by China? Tibet was one part of China since 12 centry, Chinese Yuan Dinasty. If one does not respect the history, he/she won't be able to respect the truth.

Olymic is NOT a China "outing party". It is one event that China is organizing in contribution to man kind. To jepidize Olymic game will not serve the purpose of destroying China's "party", it destroys the opportunity for the people of the whole world to enjoy the Olympic spirit.

It is naive to believe that boycotting Olympic will solve political problem. It is stupid to ask China to make a choice between spliting the contry and hosting a good Olympic event.

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luoshang, is your last post the product of a "great, powerful,responsible, heroical country with 5000 years brilliant civilization"?

Luoshuang,

I think it was Samuel Johnson who said, "Nationalism is the last refuge of a scoundrel". China has a brilliant history and culture worthy of respect by all people around the world. It is a shame that it is squandering it by chaining its citizens and indulging in subjugation of any one who challenges the existing dictatorial order.

And there is no need for using profanities. Remember the old Japanese saying that the first one to raise the voice has lost the argument. Using profanities is raising the voice in an obscene way.

If forcible occupation gives a country the right to ownership, Japan should have rights to China just as you are claiming Chinese rights to Tibet. Remember who helped China in times of need?

What is next on Chinese expansionism? Sudan/Darfur? California?

Great nations do not chain its citizens. Remember what happened to the British in India? Even the mighty British empire could not stand up to a man in loin cloth. What makes you think the chinese empire is any different?

Unless China reforms, and I sincerely hope it will, for its own sake, it will be the next Reich -- a menace to the world. If it honors freedom of expression and dissent, and respects diversity, it will grow into a great nation.

Let the Tibetans decide if they want to be slaves or free. Don't impose it on them.

FREE TIBET!

Cathyzhangying,

I suggest that you do the home work before posting. Go read the history books. And NOT history according to Mao Tse Tung or his present day minions.

Tibet has a history as illustrious as China. The Tibetan empire even exchanged ambassadors with the Chinese empire as early as in the sixth century. Chinese hegemony over Tibet is very recent.

The only history that counts is the one written by scholars of history and not Chinese politicians.

Tibetan language belongs to the Tibeto-Burman family, which are also spoken in Thailand, Burma, Vietnam, Laos, parts of Pakistan (Baltistan), parts of India ((Himachal Pradesh, Uttarakhand, Sikkim, Arunachal Pradesh, Assam, Nagaland, Manipur, Mizoram, Tripura, and both the Ladakh and Kargil). It is also spoken in Guizhou and Hunan parts of China.

Is China going to claim that they are all parts of China? You got to be kidding. Foolishly China is claiming Arunachal Pradesh and Ladakh to be a part of China.

Where is the limit to Chinese greed? It just reminds me of Hitler.

FREE TIBET!

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Why should he be punished for his views?

This is the rather worrying thing: in the West we have freedom of speech and cannot be punished for holding an opinion.

Your idea that someone should be punished for what they say is depressing and ominous.

Freedom of speech is an essential part of the freedom of the human spirit.

Without freedom of speech the human spirit cannot be free, and yet you talk of punishing someone for expressing his views? This is not good.

Now I come to think of it, Luoshuang, until your post in this thread I don't recall anyone I've actually encountered ever suggesting that someone should be punished for their views.

I'm not anti-China, but if your stance is indicative of China's approach to things I don't think it bodes well.

WG:
majortso said "chinese behaving like a peevish two year ", you call it free-expression
majortso said "chinese have stolen someone else's toy,is refusing to give it up ", you call it free-expression too.
majortso said "The rest of the world should treat china as a two-year old thief", of course, it is free-expression.
majortso said "the beijing Olympic Games should be boycott", it is a wonderful idea to show your free-expression right.

after he insult my country, insult the Olympic dream of 10000000000 people, I said "he should be punished", then, you call me anti-free-expressin.

oh, yes, I understand, that is your logic. how wonderful logic, with this kind of logic, you can libel chinese as you like.

They're just his opinions.
"chinese behaving like a peevish two year "
This is just an opinion. It's not libel.

If you respect human rights, you can't call for people to be punished for having opinions.

Here's a surprise for you: if you give people freedom of speech you might not like everything they say!

Just relax a bit.

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People insult me all the time but I don't go around punishing them. I might insult them back. People insult my country from time to time. Big deal. I know my country's great
I don't need to worry about such people.

Out of interest, just how do you imagine he should be punished for 'insulting your country'?

Luoshuang,

To be libel the statements must be false. There is sufficient evidence in favour of each statement I made. I especially stand by the Samuel Johnson quote.

Communism is a utopia, and hence it is difficult to argue against ("from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", etc). However, history has shown that it is not achievable.

China is NOT a monolith, but has been propped up through police action the same way disparate nationalities were herded together by force in Yugoslavia by Tito and in the Soviet Union by their own communists. When Tito died, so did the monolith of Yugoslavia, and the dozens of nationalities all got their land when perestroika happened in USSR.
If the chinese people are given the right of free expression, so roo will the Manchurians, (Inner) Mongolians, Uighurs, and so on will see the light of freedom. Until then, it will be dark in the Chinese empire.

China will be a great country only when the people have freedom of expression and yet the various nationalities will voluntarily unite to form one China. Until then, it is an empire of one (or two) nationality that has colonised the others. Tibet is an example. It was colonised by the Mongolians, and the present day chinese just inherited it.

You should try living in a free country for sometime to experience the exhileration of freedom. There are countless Chinese yearning for freedom (why else do they try their best to leave china for other freer countries? Heard of any hoards trying to move to China?

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Luoshuang,

This is a forum for discussion and argument, not a free-for-all boxing ring. I gave arguments that I wanted to make. If you disagree with me you make counterarguments or refute my arguments. You did neither.

You took everything I said as an insult to "my country". And then you proceeded to hurl ad hominem insults on my person. We all should be grateful to the BBC administrator for protecting everyone's freedom of expression.

Try posting what you posted in a communist chinese forum, and you will spend the rest of your time in a chinese gulag (or slog as a slave laborer making cheap things for the world market). Now try to refute this argument.

I showed your country as much respect as your own country shows you, an ordinary citizen of communist china, a country that is trampling on the rights of most of its own citizens and subjects. Now refute that!

FREE TIBET! FREE TIBET!! FREE TIBET!!!

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Not wishing to be picky, but you keep talking about 10 000 000 000. Are you talking about the population of China? If so, shouldn't that be 1 000 000 000 people?

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Well, you broke a couple of the house rules. You can read them here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/brunel/HouseRules

majortso seems to have been clever enough to express his views without breaking the House Rules. You do the same, and your posts won't be removed.

Out of curiosity, are you aware of the Tiananmen Square massacre of 1989? I gather many Chinese people are not, due to state censorship.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989

The Chinese government ordered tanks to attack its own citizens who were protesting peacefully in the square. Many were killed. However,
"Unlike the Cultural Revolution, about which people can still easily find information through government approved books, Internet sites, etc, this topic completely disappeared from any media (including books, magazines, newspapers and internet web sites) inside mainland China. It is a forbidden topic by the Chinese government."