h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

Hey man, howrya doing? You know, I met the most incredible woman almost 8 years ago. We have been through rough lives and lived together and moved apart and fought and made up, but now she lives miles away and she doesn't have much time for me, and it's killing me. It sucks. Anyway, I came to this site because of the part of my life that THGTHG was to me, being a teenager and the way things like that book, and books like the Dune series affected you're life, and I have found the best people and conversation here, but I haven't been here since day one, so I was wondering,. I want to look for someone who would be interested in helping with my website. I am not that fond, or that educated in all the technical aspects of the computer and the internet. Frankly I find them a bit of a pain in the ass, they're quick, but it takes me too much time anyway. I don't consider myself a very good writer either. I don't know, what about starting a post of my own? That's probably not appropriate here, eh? Got any ideas?... Do you care? just kidding.

I seem to be going through random stages of denial, acceptance, move-onance, anger, etc...
So how old are you, exactly?
If you can't be arsed immediately to work on your website, create a guide entry about it and post it around a few threads and put it in your name. Usually works, apparently.

I always tell people I am 19 going on 100. I will be a kid forever, I have not and will not grow up, I learned what it was to be an adult very young, and I want no part of it, but I have lived through so much, and so many places, and evolved and learn so much, I feel very old. I don't think you're years are a good description of how old you are but I am 32. I could start a website called 'How to survive the most incredible bullshit'. What do you think? Good idea?

I'm 16 going on 16. I make no secret of it and am not ashamed, but it's often used against me. "He's sixteen; he's lived for half the time I have; he must be half as clever, and half as knowledgeable". I too have been through a lot of tough sh*t. By the way, I apologise about the meaning of life thread. I used to be good at arguing, and funny with it, too, able to spot flaws in people's arguments easily. However, I seem to have lost the knack temporarily. Been on that thread for quite a few pages now, but recently I've been going downhill a bit. Am thinking of taking a break since no one seems to be listening to me anyway.

I listened to you, in fact I listened to you most. You showed me intelligence and like I say, years is not age. You were the one who was able to challenge my confidence and you haven't lost the knack, I don't think. You have perhaps just never met anyone that showed any signs that perhaps, not only they cared about the truth, but knew what it was. I enjoy reading what you have to say, even if it's not as light hearted as you can be.

Tch. I can be lighthearted easily, just currently not in the mood. And apparently someone on the thread thinks that arguing for arguments' sake is bad. I could argue my case, of course, but where would be the point in that? My view, though, is that knowledge and information only come through conflicts of any kind, and the kind of hypocrite who argues with Christianity on so called logical grounds, but who then can't take argument on logical grounds with whatever his or her beliefs are is a hypocrite indeed. Am currently awaiting your next post on the meaning? thread. And I apologise in advance if I'm unnecessarily rude to AK nonexistent; I don't like him immediately, because of the rapidity which he agreed with your propaganda (sorry, but propaganda is propaganda, regardless of the truth, or lack, of it).

Hey, hi!
I was just checking my email and, surprise, it' my favourite Hootoo nemesis
Thanks much for the input.
Mine's a free website, so the ads are not in my control.
They used to say 150 was genius but it seems now that they've raised the bar a little. I don't have much faith in those free online I.Q. tests.
Thanks for the punctuation observation. I try to be maticulous with my use of language, to always get across what I truly mean, but I'm no pro. I don't consider myself a writer, so I have been trying to enlist help with form and structure.
It's a difficult task to be respected for you're ability and you're humility at the same time, one that I obviously need work on. I try my best to make it about the human race as a whole, not about me.
A bunch of us started The New World Order about 15 years ago, and so far there is just a small group of us, but I put a membership sign up on my website right away to give anyone the opportunity. All I can offer right now, is the opportunity to change life on earth for the better. The people signed up so far have basically done so, after years of arguement and discussion between us, in realization of our potential, and of the truth, and perhaps some respect and faith in me. There is a societal structure in place already, so in order to change society, the current system that is place must be used, politics and laws. The ultimate goal of the NWO is the support of all of humanity, a lofty goal perhaps, and not for the immediate future, but not an impossibility.
There is no such thing as infinity? What is the highest number, what is the smallest fraction? The universe is about change, not beginning or end. Evolution is about the ability you have today making you able to learn and become more capable tomorrow. How does that not present infinite potential?
Some people realize they are exactly animals, but also that they have the intellect to be much more than simple primates.

"Favourite Hootoo nemesis" - I like that
"Some people realize they are exactly animals, but also that they have the intellect to be much more than simple primates."
There we go again; that same unthinking prejudice of the entire race. Yes, you realise in your *mind* that you are a primate, but you have to think of it first consciously - you don't know it in your *heart*, unlike the ideas that "you are human" or "humans are better". Some primates have typically human intelligences: you've heard of the primates in zoos that they've taught to communicate with signs and sign language, right? How quickly do you think you would be able to learn not only a new language but also an entirely new culture, mindset, way of thinking, just after being traumatically captured and removed from your home and then isolated? Would you be able to do so in just a few years? How long did it take you, say, just to become less than fluent in French or German as a pupil?
I know a few people who are around 150's, and they don't act particularly genius. I myself am roughly 180, and *I* have doubts at times.
There IS no such thing as infinity - in a practical sense. It has very few discernable side-effects except theoretical ones that prove that it is there at all. I've found in philosophical and futurist arguments that it's best just to discount and ignore it totally, as it leads to so many paradoxes and double-edged swords - for instance, if you said "We have all of infinity to reach to!", then I could equally say "But it's infinitely far away, infinitely hard to get". "We have an infinite time to do it!" "It would take an infinite time to do it"... &c.
Sorry to dissapoint you, but a political/psychological conspiracy called "The New World Order" was already started, in 1723 by Adam Weishaupt, with the equally lofty goal of "Total illumination of the whole of humanity" with the side goal of immanentising the eschaton. If you claim to be a continuation of their meme, I'll have no other option but to call the Knights Templar and have you ruthlessly exterminated for your extremist right-wing views. (Sorry, conspiracy theory joke) (or was it?)
The old Zen masters managed to be humble and wise at the same time. It is impossible to be respected while seeming arrogant, even if your abilities are true; however, it is impossible *not* to find respect if you are humble, and it shows that your abilities are true.

Hey hi! Howrya now?
I'm not sure I understand exactly what you're trying to say. My understanding of nature has made me absolutely one with everything, heart and mind, primate and sentient being. I have always allowed my existence to teach my mind what I am, not let my mind make the claim of what I am. I know I can only speak for me, and I will be the last person to try and lump things into one neat package, but at the same time, you cannot ignore the similarity, and the creation of predictable reaction by similarity. Interaction with people creates certain reaction, in no way similar to interaction with, say, a rock. I have much respect for the intellectual abilities of primates in the zoo, but I am not impressed. Their suffering and their accomplishments do not compare to the survival and the accomplishments in the lives of many humans, including my own.
I don't like the way humanity, even Einstein, treat things like time and infinity as physical entities. The human race created the word time to put the passing of events into physical explanation so they could work with it in communication, infinity is a description of a situation to which there is no end, like the highest number, or the smallest fraction, etc., neither are actual things in the universe. This is very important, Einstein is considered to have had the most evolved thoughts in history, (and I would never insult his ability) yet I see the same misuse of interpretation in his view, as all thinking men, and the determination of theory or experiment, using an inacurate perspective, creates untrustworthy conclusions. The concrete nature of the universe, and the amount of time we've spent in it, and the intellectual ability we possess, give humanity incredible potential for realization, but how something seems based on what we know, is not necessarily how something is. Everything must be observed with absolute unbias, and defined with its' own characteristics, in order to have any accuracy when predicting or trying to define anything unexplained and claiming to understand anything about the universe.
Lots of people have used the term 'New World Order'. (It really p-ed me off when Wrestling started using it) The only reason we decided to use it anyway, is because it was thought of honestly, without priar knowledge of it's other use, and thus seemed important to use anyway, and ignore anyone else's use of it. It may be changed, I don't know.
In this day and age, with the level of ego throughout humanity, humility doesn't go as far as it used to. To many people are more concerned that you don't have the confidence or ability to stand up for what you say. Comfortable coexistence is not about one answer that makes everyone happy, it's about taking every instance of what makes one happy, and finding the happy median. That is as good as it could get, this is the answer that causes the least discomfort and conflict.
Can you at least agree with me, that you may not be able to write a law that is true for all circumstance, but that you can create a law for each circumstance that is true? (man would it ever feel nice to feel like you don't despise everything I say for once)

My opinion is that belief is the death of intelligence. I deny your beliefs because at times they seem suspiciously dogmatic.
Einstein *wasn't* an amazing person - he downright flatly denied the use of A/C generators (ie, the ones we use most today), and in fact wrote papers against them, just because of the animosity between him and the A/C's inventor, Alexi Tesla.
You are not impressed by the chimps - who, let's face it, and I'm sure you agree, only have suffering in their lives because of us humans - yet you ARE impressed by the humans - who, let's face it, and I'm sure you agree, only have suffering in their lives because of us other humans?
There IS no concrete universe. And as for what you said about reactions - certainly what follows is more controversial than the idea that we are all primates, but it is the next logical step, and maybe in a few hundred years it'll be as accepted as Darwin's ideas came to be a few hundred years later - but about that: WE ARE ALL ROBOTS. We are robots in a trap, and there are few ways out, and that trap is upon us because our ancestors were mad and their system has replicated their madness down to us.

"Can you at least agree with me, that you may not be able to write a law that is true for all circumstance, but that you can create a law for each circumstance that is true? (man would it ever feel nice to feel like you don't despise everything I say for once )"
Well. Laws fail because they do not forsee the specifics of every case possible; they are too general. But there are two problems with laws of the particular kind: firstly, there are a (theoretically...) infinite amount of possible cases and thus a practically infinite amount of laws to rule for them; and secondly, it would make it even clearer to the general masses that WE ARE ALL ROBOTS and that the system is a bad one; the system would be regulating every inch of our lives.
Let me ask you a question: I'm assuming you're a law-abiding (sheep) citizen. If the government proposed cameras in every place in your country watching your every action, would you agree or not? Certainly you would not. But why not? Because of the principles of the thing. To agree for laws for every case is like agreeing to that; in fact, to agree just one law for just one very specific case is like the government approving spy cameras following just one person in the entire country, and you agreeing.

By the way, perhaps you should consider writing your website in E-Prime.
Normal English is "E". E-Prime was invented by Alfred Korzybski, among other people, a semantician.
His idea was to remove the "is of language" from normal English, and make a more objective and correcy system, ie, where someone would usually say "Jim is annoying", it would become "Jim seems annoying to me", "The grass is green" would become "I think the grass is green", and "Light is a wave" would become "Light acts as a wave when studied with this apparatus".
While at first it seems merely pedanticism, there seems to be evidence to suggest that it actually has an effect on the human mind; it makes it more difficult to be drawn in by opinions, clarifies the mind, and constantly reminds the reader of the fallacy of beliefs.

I am not a robot or a sheep. I'm surprised you would think that, you really can't see the intelligence in me? You really think an evolved human being can get along with today's society, today's legal system?

Fraid you are.
You are reacting in a physical way to physical stimuli, like forces pushing springs up. The few choices you will have will be made based upon your Freudian fears and psychological state, and even these choices will occur as a result of chemicals bouncing around in the brain and randomly striking eachother.

Mal (playing devil's advocate - actually HATES this idea)