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bye fnord
Mal Posted Jul 6, 2003
That was not only a joke, but also a general comment on people. Must've forgotten the smiley. But I don't really expect you to admit to reading this comment now that you're angry. I'm just going to let you know that I'm going to follow up all your recent threads and see which one you admit to taking depressants on.
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azahar Posted Jul 7, 2003
Final reply to you Fnord. And don't think I also don't feel very sad about this, because I do. I thought you were my friend. You broke that trust. And without trust, well, there cannot be friendship, can there?
>>I'm going to follow up all your recent threads and see which one you admit to taking depressants on.<<
That almost sounds like a threat. I don't take depressants. Never have.
It was nice knowing you - truly. And I am sorry things turned out this way, but it was not my doing - it was yours. Perhaps in future you will learn to be more careful with your words. With other friends that you meet here.
Anyhow, looks like Toxxin wants to be your pal now. The two of you can enjoy 'az-bashing' together as much as you like. Sorry, that is probably not fair. I don't think you will want to ever be like him. But you put yourself in his camp yesterday, you insulted me for no reason at all - it felt like a knife in my heart - and this I just can't forget.
I have recently learned to never give someone a second chance to stick the knife in. Sorry.
I still think you are a lovely person, but I just can't be your friend anymore.
take care,
az
bye fnord
Mal Posted Jul 8, 2003
I hope you read this, if not reply.
It wasn't a threat. Maybe not taking depressants is as big a mistake as taking them. I knows.
It wasn't too bad knowing you, either. It's a pity we couldn't work whatever it was out, but obviously not.
I think, yes, I have learnt a lot of lessons from you, if not the careful with words one. Good lessons, and bad. For example, your final lesson seems to have been reinforcing something the world is convinced to be right - that I really shouldn't trust anyone.
I don't know Toxxin. I agreed with you because you were my friend, but now that you don't want to be, I'm free to actually find out what he's like without the biases I inflicted upon myself from you. A social comment, and not a personal one.
When you called yourself the most sensitive person on H2G2, you certainly weren't exaggerating. I'd write a poem about it, but I fear you'd take the advantages of your newfound freedom to laugh it down.
Despite the holism of the universe, the individual events of whatever's happening in RL shouldn't be allowed to impinge on my actions here. The only rule in the universe is that there are no rules in the universe; no generalities, no cast-iron laws, no policemen, no fate. If you learnt never to give anyone a second chance, then forget pity - I am not saddened for you, but sickened by you. This isn't an attempt to stick the knife in, but seeing all the debates we've been side by side in, you should understand my meaning and purpose.
"az-bashing" - was unnecessary and unreasonable. It hardly indicates a belief in me being a nice person.
I don't have a belief in me being a nice person, however. If you did, then I don't believe you would've cut me off. According to you , I'm "grumpy", "unreasonable", "stroppy", "grouchy". Another reinforcement of your wonderfully material lesson in trust and love. Yet another person the psychiatrist can blame for messing up my life.
Toodleoo. I'd like to give you the same lesson, but I can't bring myself to ruin another universe like others have ruined mine. Maybe that's why I'm not a nice person. Maybe I should blame myself more.
Anyway, I'm at least grateful for you returning the favour I also extend to others - you didn't judge me. But you commited the execution.
bye fnord
azahar Posted Jul 9, 2003
Fnord,
Please try to understand this. I did not *do* anything to you. It was you who broke our trust. And therefore our friendship.
I could possibly still pretend to be friends with you, but what would be the point? What I cannot pretend is that I still trust you, because you have shown me that you are not trustworthy. You have said other questionable things in response to other postings of mine on other threads, but I let them pass. But in this instance you really did 'feed me to the lions' so to speak by giving you-know-who a pathetic moment of glory to crow and chortle about his oh so clever comment about me. Take a moment to consider how much that hurt me.
I have since unsubcribed from that thread.
I give lots of second chances to people. Hell, I've even given you plenty up until now, because you really are not careful with your words, but I always assumed you were just being a bit thoughtless but that you never meant any harm.
And now you are telling me that I 'sicken' you? - well, what can I say about that?
Yes, I have called you grumpy, crankyboots, and various other silly things. All said with much affection. I would certainly never call someone that unless I felt they knew I was only teasing. Anyhow - was I wrong? I don't think so. Thing is, you ARE 16, whether you like it or not. I am almost three times your age. So I do know what it might feel like to be you, having once been 16 myself, but you do not know, you cannot imagine, how it feels to me me at my age.
I am oversensitive - that's true. I also do not trust very easily. If you have been lurking as much as I think you have you may have found some reasons I have for this. Trust, for me at least, is a very delicate thing. And it *can* be totally shattered in a moment.
I've already told you that it hurts me very much that we can't be friends anymore. What else can I say? I reacted to something that you did. I didn't create the situation.
I do miss you very much - the thought that we are no longer friends. And I do still think that you are a lovely person, no matter if you tell me that I now sicken you. Anyhow, I am hardly here to teach you lessons about life! I'm just me trying to maintain my own life. Which is no picnic, let me tell you.
Maybe you can tell me - how on earth could I ever be able to trust you again? If that matters to you. I will listen.
az
bye fnord
Mal Posted Jul 10, 2003
Maybe I can't help myself from being a little dissapointed in your "never give anyone a second chance" views, which more or less makes you worse than America as a whole, but I cannot believe that you truly believe that. Maybe I can't change your views on trust being irreparable, but perhaps you could just give me an idea of the many crimes against nature I've commited. Or is ignorance of the law no reason for information?
"And now you are telling me that I 'sicken' you?" - I mean your views sicken me. Sorry, I should've learnt a lesson from P-C, who is, now that I come to think of it, another of your generation. And thusly the law is enforced.
Az, you are in a phase right now of strange reactionism. You were the one who broke my trust, just as I must've broken yours. It takes two
"You ARE 16..." etc - you told me your age once, but I've forgotten. Somewhere around 40, maybe straying to the 50, perhaps. Are you pledging your age as an excuse for this cessation of terms?
"You cannot imagine how it feels to me me at my age".
I wouldn't count on that. I've had experiences you haven't, just as you've had some that I haven't; I've done things that people twice your age haven't. You don't know the half of it, just as I don't know the half of you. Just try, try to look at the stars. At the bigger picture.
And if nothing else, tell me what the hell your problem is with Toxxin. He's not a very nice character, true, but surely not so much that his name is unspeakable. Or is that just dramatics?
bye fnord
azahar Posted Jul 10, 2003
you never even attempted to apologise.
>>Az, you are in a phase right now of strange reactionism. You were the one who broke my trust, just as I must've broken yours. It takes two>>
bullshit. you betrayed my trust in you, I reacted, then you reacted.
I didn't start this off, okay? None of this was my doing.
I am a person that you have hurt, Fnord. So now what?
az
bye fnord
Mal Posted Jul 10, 2003
Cause and effect just isn't strictly true anymore.
Maybe you didn't start this off, but can you at least show me what I've done!
I am a person that you have hurt, and injured for the rest of his life. You've crafted this world of yours, and its young, and now you must live in it. So now what?
(I'd like to point out at this stage that some of my sentences are coming from a poem I wrote about this entire kind of thing.)
bye fnord
azahar Posted Jul 10, 2003
well, why don't you start off by simply saying that you are sorry for hurting me?
but only if you mean it, of course.
bye fnord
Mal Posted Jul 10, 2003
Well, if I were you I wouldn't accept my apology. Who can sincerely apologise if they don't know what they've done? What you've told me is, I infer, only the tip of the iceberg for you. But I will apologise nevertheless, and sincerely so.
bye fnord
azahar Posted Jul 10, 2003
and?
Well, I think it's up to you to decide.
>>I am a person that you have hurt, and injured for the rest of his life. You've crafted this world of yours, and its young, and now you must live in it.>>
Though I would suggest you knock that stuff off. I *have not* injured you for the rest of your life. Trust me, in the very near future you will scarcely remember who I am . . . or was. And I have not crafted any sort of world. You kidding me? I can't even pay my rent most of the time. I am not some sort of world-dominating mastermind, because if I were there would be no world hunger and all children would grow up feeling loved.
love and peace,
az
bye fnord
azahar Posted Jul 10, 2003
btw, do you know a slangy somewhat rude word for when a young man loses his virginity?
bye fnord
azahar Posted Jul 10, 2003
well, I think I have to go to bed very soon, so as you appear to be busy maybe talk to you another time.
az
bye fnord
Mal Posted Jul 12, 2003
R.E. Post 13 -
You've crafted MY world, as I'd hope would be obvious. And the last six months seems like an eternity alone, as if I was a different person - I'll remember you (albeit sadly) in ten years time.
And :
Cannot think of any right now that have not already been posted on the thread - generally, the people I know refer to it with innuendo-laden hints or the real thing, but whenever it's the former there's no real set phrases.
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