h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

In which case, that is not a prophecy, merely somebody moaning because their teachings aren't accepted without question.

Sound familiar, James?

Going back a bit...

"I am not a young earth creationist"

You believe that life was created on Earth around 6000 years ago.

That makes you a YEC.

were am I

Life was on this planet long before man was created I just believe that man who was the second to last thing created was created 6,000 years ago.

Try asking what I believe instead of telling us what I believe then you will not make so many mistakes.

James

On what grounds do you think man was created 6000 years ago?

What was the last thing?

Evidence, please.

Man is here there for some one put him here, that some one says he did it 6000 years ago.

The last creation by that one was woman.
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posted by Kiteman (U1056601) , Yesterday

It's called a parable, James.

Their question was the point of the story.
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It was an illustration of the fact that neither the sheep or the goats would be aware that they were being judged and by what method that judgement would take place.

According to that one scripture Christ would be presence because of his brothers work which would be done in the last days of this SYSTEM of things. [not world]

A judgement period or a time, when mans true attitude towards the creator would be determined, when these ones discovered what had taken place it was too late to have a change of heart.

James

>>Man is here there for some one put him here, that some one says he did it 6000 years ago.

That same source says the whole universe was created in the same six-day period. That means you are saying the bible is wrong (cue some waffle about a "day" not being 24 hours long).

After that, your grammar falls apart. Please rephrase it so I can tell what you are saying.

Try reading Genesis without the sarcasm, you might get some were.

It does not say how long it took to create the heavens and the earth, regardless of your cynicism over the time periods that were used.

I hope there are not to many teachers in this world with your outlook in life, the children of this world are having a hard enough time as it is not being totally corrupted in their thinking.

I wonder if you would program a computer the way you program children’s minds?

James

"It does not say how long it took to create the heavens and the earth"

It says "day". End of story.

As for your ignorance about teaching, you are decades behind the times.

Children in state schools have not been forced or told what to think since before I was born.

The only attempts at that have been in religious schools. You know, the kind of organisations that threaten to kick you out if you don't accept their revisions of history...

So which history book do you use?

Is it the one that says once upon a time billions of years ago??

How long is the day of judgement?

How long was Noah’s day?

Why does the bible say God counts one day as a thousand years


James

>>How long is the day of judgement?

Irrelevant

>>How long was Noah’s day?

Irrelevant

>>Why does the bible say God counts one day as a thousand years

Because can't god count?

It's either a thousand years, or it's a day. Or is god so boring that a day *feels* like a thousand years when you are with him?

The bible states *days*. The creation story does not qualify that statement in any way. You must, therefore, either accept that creation happened in six, 24 hour days, or accept the evidence, which says there was no creation event, neither of the Universe, of Earth, nor of Life.

The bible also says that God rested on the last day, and the bible tells us that they day is still ongoing so it must be a little more than 24 hours.

How many inches are there in a yard?

Mr smiths back yard?

or yours for that matter?

James

>> The bible also says that God rested on the last day, and the bible tells us that they day is still ongoing so it must be a little more than 24 hours.<<

You are conflating two completely separate passages, written years, decades, possibly centuries apart (since you haven't bothered to give the quote which says we are still in the seventh day of the week of creation).

>> How many inches are there in a yard?

Maybe that is part of your problem - Science went metric since your text books were published.

Then your day is quite different to my day.

James

Matthew 12:8
For Lord of the Sabbath is what the Son of man is.

Hebrews 4:1-10
Therefore, since a promise is left of entering into his rest, let us fear that sometime someone of you may seem to have fallen short of it. For we have had the good news declared to us also, even as they also had; but the word which was heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who did hear. For we who have exercised faith do enter into the rest, just as he has said:

So I swore in my anger, ‘They shall not enter into my rest, although his works were finished from the founding of the world. For in one place he has said of the seventh day as follows: And God rested on the seventh day from all his works, and again in this place: They shall not enter into my rest.

Since, therefore, it remains for some to enter into it, and those to whom the good news was first declared did not enter in because of disobedience, he again marks off a certain day by saying after so long a time in David’s [psalm] Today; just as it has been said above: Today if you people listen to his own voice, do not harden your hearts.
For if Joshua had led them into a place of rest, [God] would not afterward have spoken of another day. So there remains a Sabbath resting for the people of God.

For the man that has entered into [God’s] rest has also himself rested from his own works, just as God did from his own. NWT

You ought to pay attention to what you post as evidence.

You claim that we still somehow in the seventh day of creation, yet your quote refers to god's rest, and to the seventh day itself, in the past tense.

By the time the bible was written, the seventh day was long, long gone.

On top of that, you have managed to show why the bible would say six days, but "mean" steps of several million years.

On top of *that*, if the days were a thousand years long (do you even realise how many levels of wrongness are in that simple phrase?), then the plants would have had to survive a thousand years without sunlight...

(Next!)

Galatians
For if Joshua had led them into a place of rest, [God] would not afterward have spoken of another day. So there remains a Sabbath resting for the people of God.

For the man that has entered into [God’s] rest has also himself rested from his own works, just as God did from his own. NWT
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Christians in this case are being invited to do something the Hebrew’s failed to do, and that was to enter into the creators Sabbath.

The Sabbath was in existence in the Hebrew’s day and it still in existence in this day, It will also remain until the kingdom has been established by Jesus then handed over to the Father, as.
1 Corinthians 15:24-26 informs us >>>>>
Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. For he must rule as king until [God] has put all enemies under his feet. As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing.<<<<

It is quite unscientific to ridicule creation, and what could survive while it was waiting on other things to be created; because there are many things which have needs of other parts of creation, and if these things were not there for them they would not survive.

This form of argument shows up a fundamental weakness in evolution, but is not a problem if some one is doing the creating.

If you had been a humble person most JW’s Could have explained to you, why the things which you feel are problems with creation, are not so much of a problem as you think they are. It does not matter how intelligent we might think we are we have much to learn and some of those things we can learn come from people who we may think have nothing to teach us.


James

>> It is quite unscientific to ridicule creation

No, but it is acceptable to ridicule a concept that is utterly lacking in even the smallest shred of credible evidence, yet is still clung to by people who claim to be intelligent, and so should know better.

>> If you had been a humble person most JW’s Could have explained to you

Actually, I am quite humble. My head teacher keeps telling me I ought to "blow my own trumpet" more.

>> why the things which you feel are problems with creation, are not so much of a problem as you think they are.

Go on, then, why is a total lack of evidence not much of a problem?

>> It does not matter how intelligent we might think we are we have much to learn and some of those things we can learn come from people who we may think have nothing to teach us.

That is true. You have inspired me to learn more about JWs, so I have been talking to other JWs and showing them your posts.

I have certainly learned some stuff...

Then you might like to try and work out how symbiotic things came about by themselves?

James