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Before you jump into a conversation do a bit of research. Look at who you are dealing with, get an understanding of the thread and in general stick to the subject.
I came here having been provoked by your post 178 on the thread
"Is money now more trouble that it is worth ?"
Your post was totally unconstructive and seemed to be aimed at me rather than the subject.
You may think that I should practice what I preach but if I step a bit out of line it is usually done with a certain amount of care.
Often I prepare my post off line. A habit from the old days without broadband.

Having had a look around your space I will leave to you alone. You seem to have enough trouble of you own.

Take care - Ancient Brit

PS. Having made your point, for whatever reason, you could have simply pointed me here :-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7894666.stm

Hi AB
Welcome

I refer you to this site:
http://projects.exeter.ac.uk/RDavies/arian/amser/chrono.html

It has a very good account of UK's history of the money system.
Please feel free to make your comments and opinions known. The subject interests me greatly.
Hope your family is happy and prosperous!

Now we know where we stand.

If I wanted to poke fun at you I could point out the little note at the bottom of your link that reads reads:-
"Last updated 20 May 2006." - Your link is even older than the link that I put up.
Do you think that that would be very christian of me ?

AB
As I assume you realise, in 'your' thread about money/cash, I was merely pointing out that a lot of turmoil is currently occuring in the financial system.
If people have a good experience with the "debit card" system and have trust in it, then of course, why shouldn't they continue to reap its benefits.

My reference is to a history of money from 9000BC up until recent times.
It's surely a bit pedantic to mention the fact it's last updated in 2006!

Thanks for the welcome and best wishes but please listen a moment and then start again.
The purpose of my visit was not to discuss money and economics. You immediately make assumptions and go off on a track following those assumptions. Read the Subject heading 'Some Advice', go back to post 1, read it again and take in what it says. I hope you will the see that I am questioning your 'ethics'. I then pose a question that you choose to completely ignore.

AB
>>Do you think that that would be very Christian of me ?<<
If that's the question that you were referring to, then I appear to have offended you. I'm truly sorry for that. And it's not very Christian to purposely offend anyone without reason. I can't see any reason other than perhaps other people in the thread seemed to be offended with some of your remarks. I apologise again for having offended you, and "post 178" in the said thread does seem more aggressive than warranted.

Please do explain to me your feelings about money/credit/debit/inflation etc. and I await your reply with interest (no pun intended )

Let's develop what I am saying. Why are you so hell bent on getting me to talk about money ? I opened the "Is money now more trouble that it is worth ?" thread because I thought It might generate an interesting discussion along a particular route.
You step in at post 178 with your brilliant observation how do you think I felt. I wasn't hurt I was just frustrated.
If you want to know why and get my views. Research the thread and consider my posts.
1, 21, 30, 40, 47, 50, 57, 76, 78, 86, 88, 90, 93, 97, 105, 107, 109, 112, 113, 118, 126, 134, 138, 141, 170, 177

Then give me what you consider to be an just contribution.

I did look through your posts on the said thread, and they seemed to start off in a different vein to which they finished on

Are you not going to continue on that thread anymore?

Not for the time being.
I'll remain subscribed and look in from time to time.
Thanks for dropping in on my mix up with Ouch! I hope you understand.

Re your comment that I finished up on a different vein to that on which I started. I tend to follow the thread but I think that you will find I don't drift too far from what I believe, on that thread or any other.

My real view on Aid/Benefit, call it what you will, is that it has to be more useful if provided in kind. Money does not help unless it is directed at the specific need and as everyone knows it is quite often taken on the wrong course.

AB
I understand your feelings on the problems with govt. assistance, and the suggestions of "better targeting". It probably is a good idea for some recipients who are unable to take proper responsibility for their financial affairs. But as I say, this already happens in the case of "addicts" and people who get seriously in debt.

If a society/government decides that the vast amount of money (billions of £'s), that is spent on the poor and unfortunate is being wasted in some way, then of course, they would have to think of some ways of improving the system.

The main reason, in my opinion, that there is so much pressure on the public purse these days, is because of global inbalance, and the consequential pressure of economic migration. So, what I'm saying, is basically that everyone in society, particularly those at the higher end of the income bracket whose wealth mainly comes from "playing the financial system", should be curbed.
The oponents of this way of thinking cites the collapse of business and finance, which is true to some extent, but why should one country be so much richer than another even though their industrial output is no greater. So some rebalancing of "the worth of life", has to be world-wide, not just a nationalistic ideal.
A fairer distribution of money across the globe would make it a lot easier for govt. to look after the needs of its citizens without needing an endless pot of money.

Our political views are pretty much along the same line. You are of course right that the problem spreads throughout the whole of human kind. From the individual up through the family, the community, the local area, the nation and through to global issues.
Any problem there is has come about within the way of life that exists today. I believe that before we get involved with problems outside our own domain we need to put our own house in order. This applies at all levels.

PS If you want to talk to me about Ouch! I would prefer that you did it here in you space rather than myrtlemaid's personal space.

>>I believe that before we get involved with problems outside our own domain we need to put our own house in order. This applies at all levels.<<
I agree with you completely. I think Gordon Brown means well, and as much as we can complain (who doesn't when the going gets tough!), we could have alot worse than him, looking around the world
The recent ideas about deposits before granting mortgages etc. is very reasonable, imo

Yes, I certainly should respect other researcher's personal spaces, thanks for pointing it out ...

Look here:- F19585?thread=6331578&post=76356119#p76355160
A direct answer to my original question and one with which I wholeheartedly agree.
Just add that money should be a reward for effort and the way that it is dolled out to day devalues that reward and the thread is home and dry.

Yes, I agree that post 217 is a very valid observation. It's very easy for mankind to critisise those that are better off than themselves, but it's often out of envy, and most people would like to have more money, just like them.

When nations start suffering from severe hardship and poverty, types of communism/socialism often raise their head, but these extreme doctrines can never be successful in the long run, IMHO.

The western society model (with roots in Christianity) has proved quite a success with its 'free-market' system, but as we see, what's letting it down is the financial system that 'those who have' are perpetuating.
Mankind is certainly facing turmoil and change THIS century
But then, you've lived through 2 world wars, which were also very traumatic and of significant change. They certainly brought a swift increase in technology/science and aviation ...

One world war if you please warner, I'm not that old
Yes I have lived a bit and hope to live a bit longer.
You have to play with the hand that you are dealt.
It's a problem finding out which game it is that's being played.
The problem is even worse when more than one game is in progress at the same time.
The rules that I have learned I try to adapt to all the games.
Rule 1 - Never reject socialism in the broadest sense of the word

One war,
Mmm, socialism looked very good indeed, when Mrs. Thatcher was PM.

But I'm very concerned that Christianism [] is receding swiftly, these days.

You are mixing politics and religion in one post.
I should tell you that I am what my life has made of me through experience. Politics and Religion are too self centered for the overall good of society.
It's a bit of a free for all in the "Is money now more trouble that it is worth ?" One post just leads from one topic to the anther, nobody bothers to read other posts and the subject heading.

>>nobody bothers to read other posts and the subject heading.<<
That's Hootoo! You've been here longer than me. On most forums, you can't change the "subject line" either.
And everything, journals, personal messages and guide entries, are effectively public forums without fixed subject. Everyone can read and join if they wish. Mmm, interesting ..

How are you today, AB? I hope the improving weather is more agreeable to you. Sometimes the change in weather is a problem for me, as well. I have suffered with arthritas for over 20 years. It affects my appetite and quality of life greatly

>>I should tell you that I am what my life has made of me through experience<<
I greatly respect that, and I DO understand what you mean about "socialist values". There is a large overlap with Christian values, such as look after your neighbour and so on. I was merely pointing out the dangers of taking on man-made philosophies in their entirety, without any other considerations

You were merely pointing out the dangers of taking on man-made philosophies in their entirety, without any other considerations.

Nobody takes on those philosophies without consideration unless they are thrust upon them by others. That is where the danger lies. An individual is just that, an individual, problems arise when that individual goes with the tide and has no other considerations. Apathy

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My wife was put on similar drugs but she tried to keep them down, determined not to finish up on morphine and the same drug ridden condition the as her mother. When she told the specialist that she only took the drugs when she thought it was necessary, the specialist told her that she must take the drugs because when they failed to work they could prescribe something stronger. That did it. She went for accupuncter and came off the drugs. She was happy she could live the pain and it did not get any worse, Afer a year she began to improve and steadily things got better. At around 70 she was happy, the signs were still there but the pain had gone.
At 79 she goes evey 12 weeks to have the pins stuck in her.