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RE proof that Bible knows the Universe better than science.
The Cybercontroller of Telos Started conversation Apr 13, 2005
Hi there I have just visited your website and noticed the section where you showed 'proof' that the bible has better understanding of the Earth and Universe than science.
Here are some points I have made....
1. Science used to teach that the earth was flat. However, the Bible (correctly) states that the earth is a sphere in Isaiah 40:22.
(22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Not one mention of a sphere. 0/15)
2. Science used to teach that the earth was flat. However, the Bible tells us (correctly) that the earth must rotate in Luke 17:34-36.
(34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Don't know where you got that one? 0/15)
3. Science used to teach that there were only 1, 100 stars. The Bible (correctly) tells us that there are innumerable stars in Jeremiah 32:22.
(32:22 And hast given them this land, which thou didst swear to
their fathers to give them, a land flowing with milk and honey;
????? 0/15)
4. Science used to teach that the earth say on the back of a large animal. The Bible (correctly) tells us about the free float of the earth in space in Job 26:7.
(7He stretches out the north over empty space;
He hangs the earth on nothing.
The only one so far which may be correct but he may be confusing science with another religion 1/15)
5. The Bible (correctly) tells us that all things are made of invisible elements (we know these to be atoms). However, when the Bible was written, science was ignorant of this subject.
(No way of finding out where this is claimed 1/15)
6. Science used to teach that all the stars were the same. The Bible (correctly) tells us that all stars are different in 1 Corinthians 15:41.
([There is] one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for [one] star differeth from [another] star in glory.
Possible 2/15)
7. Science used to teach that light was fixed in place. Of course, the Bible states (correctly) that light moves in Job 38:19,20.
(19 "What is the way to the abode of light?
And where does darkness reside?
20 Can you take them to their places?
Do you know the paths to their dwellings?
Abodes of light & darkness? Metaphor for good & evil more like. 2/15)
8. Science used to teach that that air was weightless. The Bible states (correctly) that air has weight in Job 28:25.
(25To make the weight for the winds; and he weigheth the waters by measure.
Possible 3/15)
9. Science used to teach that the wind blew straight. However, the Bible (correctly) tells us that the wind blows in cyclones in Ecclesiastes 1:6.
6 The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits.
(Ok 4/15)
10. Science used to teach that sick people must be bled. However the Bible states (correctly) that blood is the source of life and health in Leviticus 17:11.
(Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
Doesn't say that the body should or shouldn't be bled 4/15)
11. Science used to teach that the ocean floor was flat but the Bible (correctly) says that the ocean floor contains valleys and mountains in 2 Samuel 22:16 and Jonah 2:6.
(2 Samuel 22:16 And the channels of the sea appeared, the foundations of the world were discovered, at the rebuking of the LORD, at the blast of the breath of his nostrils.
2:6 I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars [was] about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God.
One correct one wrong 4.5/10 (for having quoted a completely wrong passage as proof).)
12. Science used to teach that that the ocean was 'fed' only by rivers and rain but the Bible claims (correctly) that the ocean contains underground springs.
(No Bible quote as proof 4.5/15)
13. Science used to teach that when dealing with disease, you should wash your hands in still water but the Bible tells us (correctly) that you should wash your hands in running water.
(No Bible quote as proof 4.5/15)
14. Science used to be ignorant of this subject but they have now found that stars emit radio waves which are received on this earth as a high pitch. The Bible tells us about this (correctly) in Job 38.7.
(7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
No real proof there 4.5/15)
15. Science teaches that all life evolved over millions of years. The Bible (correctly) teaches that the universe and all life were created in six days.
(No Bible quote as proof 4.5/15)
Total score 4.5/15 though you loose all right to say even these are correct by not showing proof that science was wrong on any of these.
RE proof that Bible knows the Universe better than science.
Good_News Posted Apr 13, 2005
If you wish to comment on my site then please e-mail me. All of your comments can be easily refuted and I will gladly do that and post them up if you e-mail me. However, I have no time to sit and answer them all here.
All the comments are now backed up with scripture so please look again. The quote from Jeremiah was also 33:32 so please look again as I have corrected that mistake. Thank you for pointing it out!
RE proof that Bible knows the Universe better than science.
Researcher 179787 Posted Apr 13, 2005
"If you wish to comment on my site then please e-mail me. All of your comments can be easily refuted and I will gladly do that and post them up if you e-mail me. However, I have no time to sit and answer them all here. "
Why? Surely it takes no more or less time to write a response here than it does to write an e-mail.
The difference, of course, is that only the recipient gets to see your e-mail, not everyone else. perhaps that is the reason?
RE proof that Bible knows the Universe better than science.
Good_News Posted Apr 13, 2005
'Why? Surely it takes no more or less time to write a response here than it does to write an e-mail.'
I will reply if you e-mail your comments to my site. I will display your questions on my site for all to see and will answer them there. I am not going to waste my time answering them here as this does me no good. My time is precious so either send it to the site or don't expect an answer.
RE proof that Bible knows the Universe better than science.
The Cybercontroller of Telos Posted Apr 14, 2005
I will, but do expect any messages to be placed on this board as well. If you want to even justify any of the comparisons between the bible and science, you HAVE to show PROOF that science was wrong, not just saying it does.
RE proof that Bible knows the Universe better than science.
The Cybercontroller of Telos Posted Apr 14, 2005
Sent Good News the message. Here for the rest of you is it.
This message just shows where the facts show that the bible agreed or looked like it could agree with modern thinking about the universe. Do not use this as an approval of the bibles supremacy over science. Since you have not even bothered to show any proof that science at the time was wrong. Remember that the Inquisition attacked Galileo when he said the Earth orbited the sun. Also I have removed every time you put (allegedly) in your entries and replaced them with (allegedly).
1. Science used to teach that the earth was flat. However, the Bible (allegedly) states that the earth is a sphere in Isaiah 40:22.
(22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Not one mention of a sphere. 0/13)
2. Science used to teach that the earth was flat. However, the Bible tells us (allegedly) that the earth must rotate in Luke 17:30-36.
(17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
17:31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
17:32 Remember Lot's wife.
17:33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two [men] in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
17:35 Two [women] shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
17:36 Two [men] shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
No mention of the earth rotating at all. 0/13)
3. Science (about 1500 BC) taught that the earth was on the back of a large animal. The Bible (allegedly) tells us about about the free float of the earth in space in Job 26:7.
(7He stretches out the north over empty space;
He hangs the earth on nothing.
The only one so far which may be correct but he may be confusing science with another religion 1/13)
4. Science used to teach that there were only 1, 100 stars. The Bible (allegedly) tells us that there are innumerable stars in Jeremiah 33:22.
([There is] one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for [one] star differeth from [another] star in glory.
Possible 2/13)
5. Science used to teach that all the stars were the same. The Bible (allegedly) tells us that all stars are different in 1 Corinthians 15:41.
([There is] one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for [one] star differeth from [another] star in glory.
Possible 2/13)
6. Science used to teach that light was fixed in place. Of course, the Bible states (allegedly) that light moves in Job 38:19,20.
(19 "What is the way to the abode of light?
And where does darkness reside?
20 Can you take them to their places?
Do you know the paths to their dwellings?
Abodes of light & darkness? Metaphor for good & evil more like. 2/13)
7. Science used to teach that that air was weightless. The Bible states (allegedly) that air has weight in Job 28:25.
(25To make the weight for the winds; and he weigheth the waters by measure.
Possible 3/13)
8. Science used to teach that the wind blew straight. However, the Bible (allegedly) tells us that the wind blows in cyclones in Ecclesiastes 1:6.
6 The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits.
(Ok 4/13)
9. Science used to teach that sick people must be bled. However the Bible states (allegedly) that blood is the source of life and health in Leviticus 17:11.
(Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
Doesn't say that the body should or shouldn't be bled 4/13)
10. Science used to teach that the ocean floor was flat but the Bible (allegedly) says that the ocean floor contains valleys and mountains in 2 Samuel 22:16 and Jonah 2:6.
(2 Samuel 22:16 And the channels of the sea appeared, the foundations of the world were discovered, at the rebuking of the LORD, at the blast of the breath of his nostrils.
2:6 I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars [was] about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God.
One correct one wrong 4.5/13 (for having quoted a completely wrong passage as proof).)
11. Science used to teach that that the ocean was 'fed' only by rivers and rain but the Bible claims (allegedly) that the ocean contains underground springs in Job 38:16.
(16 Have you entered into the sources of the sea, or walked about in the depths of the abyss?
Wrong or incomplete quote 4.5/13)
12. Science used to teach that when dealing with disease, you should wash your hands in still water but the Bible tells us (allegedly) that you should wash your hands in running water in Leviticus 15:13.
(13And when he that hath an issue is cleansed of his issue; then he shall number to himself seven days for his cleansing, and wash his clothes, and bathe his flesh in running water, and shall be clean.
All depends on how you define 'issue'. Wrong or incomplete quote 4.5/13)
13. Secular science teaches that all life evolved over millions of years. The Bible (allegedly) teaches that the universe and all life were created in six days in Exodus 20:11.
(11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Doesn't prove anything as this one conflicts with more than the big bang & evolution. 4.5/13)
1. The Bible (allegedly) tells us that all things are made of invisible elements , which we now know to be atoms in Hebews 11:3.
( 3Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Without the proof that any science at all knew nothing about this, this statement is useless.)
2. The Bible (allegedly) states that the universe has expanded in Isaiah 40:22, Isaiah 42:5, Isaiah 44:24, Isaiah 45:12, Jeremiah 10:12, Jeremiah 51:15, Psalms 104:2.
(22It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
5Thus says God the LORD,
Who created the heavens and stretched them out,
Who spread forth the earth and that which comes from it,
Who gives breath to the people on it,
And spirit to those who walk on it:
24Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
12 It is I who made the earth
and created mankind upon it.
My own hands stretched out the heavens;
I marshaled their starry hosts.
10:11 Thus shall ye say unto them, The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens.
Jeremiah 51:15 He has made the earth by his power, he has established the world by his wisdom, and by his understanding has he stretched out the heavens.
2who coverest Thyself with light as with a garment, who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain;
Without the proof that any science at all knew nothing about this, this statement is useless.)
3. The Bible (allegedly) states that laughter is a good medicine in Proverbs 17:22.
22A merry heart doeth good like a medicine, but a broken spirit drieth the bones.
Without the proof that any science at all knew nothing about this, this statement is useless.)
4. The Bible (allegedly) states that time had a beginning in 1 Timothy 1:8-9.
(Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me His prisoner, but share with me in the sufferings for the gospel according to the power of God, who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,
Without the proof that any science at all knew nothing about this, this statement is useless.)
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