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I am so confused, Justin goes on about nominal christians, he believes he is a true christian because he has a real relationship with god. Well I too had that, I was baptised in the fire of the holy spirit, spoke in tongues, had a relationship where I spoke constantly to God, all the things in fact which Justin says make a true christian. And yet he also says that I wasn't. Does this make any sense to anyone? Is it just because I decided a nature-based spirituality was more honest for me? Did that mean all my experiences were suddenly invalidated?

Thing is, it seems as though we had the same experience of christianity, so how come mine wasn't real and his is?

I even got stoned for witnessing, and I still wasn't a proper christian

Math,

Isn't Bob Dylan a born again Christian too? And what about the late great Johnny Cash and his wife June Carter? They were both very staunch Christians.

az

hi Kaz,

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Um, because Justin needs to feel special? He does say there are other 'real Christians' such as himself. How does he know that *they* are 'real' and others are not?

Curious.

az

Hi az
I know he wants to feel special! My church when I was in one, said it was one of the few christian churches, and that most of them weren't real christian. It was based on having a personal relationship with god, in fact most of what justin preaches I recognise from my own church. Even a lot of the intolerant believes, I am ashamed to say.

Its not a big deal, it was a needy time and I returned to paganism afterwards. I was just interested in why justin feels he can disregard my experience so readily.

Hello Kaz,

I do not believe any such thing. Knowing the living God is a spin off from how I know that I am one of the Lord's people. I am one of the Lord's people by the grace of God, by the sacrifice of His Son at Calvary in my place, and by His sovereign intervention in my life. I know because I have been actually born again and not notionally like the nominals. I am not unusual, there are tens of thousands of real Christians in the UK.

You may have spoken to God, but did you hear That Voice? Did you hear Him speak to you directly? Did you meet Him? Or did you get caught up in some exciting church adventure where you only thought you had those things?

I believe, and I feel very sorry for you, that you are in the second category. You had Christianity, but you missed Christ.

If you can leave Christ for a mere religion based on nature you never had the real Christ, only religion about Him. No one leaves a Rolls Royce for a beaten up Dinky toy.

Yours, Justin

The God and the Goddess are within all nature though, it was just a more honest way of communicating with them.

Kaz,

When you meet the Lord Jesus Christ, face to face, who shed His blood to save you, you will find out that He does not see things like that.

The Law of God says, "Thou shalt have NO gods before ME."

J.

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Well, they might, and with good reason, if the Rolls was up on blocks and wasn't actually functioning. If it were just something pretty to look at. Whereas the smaller beaten up car works every time you turn the ignition. And it gets you to where you want to go.

az

You might also be hacked off at being associated with the attitudes of other Rolls owners and decide that a car is a masively ineeficiecnt mode of transport.

Is this another analogy Justin?

How well did the last one about cars or the one about apple trees work out?

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Isn't a Rolls that daft car with a silly bint on the bonnet, they don't even run that well. Now an environmentally friendly car would be so much better, or a Goldwing!!

I've always preferred Jaguars myself. Very sexy cars!

az

Justin:

"did you hear That Voice? Did you hear Him speak to you directly? Did you meet Him? Or did you get caught up in some exciting church adventure where you only thought you had those things?"

Two questions:

1. Did YOU meet him, or do you only think you did?

2. How would you tell the difference?

I can't wait to see the answer.

Noggin

What answer? There won't be any answer. Just . . . I have heard God speak to me and the rest of you will burn forever in the whatever burning thingys!!!

*sigh*

az

Hi Justin

"If you can leave Christ for a mere religion based on nature you never had the real Christ, only religion about Him. No one leaves a Rolls Royce for a beaten up Dinky toy."

I could counter that with only a fool would give up a direct relationship with the land to live as the fearful slave of a genocidal maniac.

You can take the Rolls Royce, and the human suffering it runs on and keep it thank you.

Maybe after a couple of more lives you will begin to understand that you cannot escape the land. It is us and we are it. I shall be with you then and we will talk anew.

The truth is is the land brother.

Blessings,
Matholwch /|\.

If you are the sort of person to be impressed with shallow, materialistic things, then yes you may stay with the rolls. Luckily I learnt to see there was more to life then being competitive about possessions.

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So what is 'quite the reverse' of this statement?

Christian standards are not the norm, yet, whilst dirt and depravity are lauded as commendable attribute, are indeed practiced by very few.

... surely this goes against your usual lecturing Justin...

hi WA,

Justin seems quite obsessed with 'dirt and depravity', with sodomy and paedophilia being particularly favourite repeated themes. Well, fornicating in any manner seems to hold him enthral.

Curious.

az

each to his own I guess...