h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

In today’s world, where perverse claptrap is so loved, and preached by the media and politicians alike, it is not seen to be right to tell the Truth, if it offends someone. However, absolute truth is the standard in a court, supposedly, and when all human beings come to Judgement Day they will stand before Him who is THE TRUTH.

“Jesus said, I am THE WAY, THE TRUTH, and THE LIFE; NO MAN cometh to the Father but by ME.” Jn.14:6

Ever so many people have been brainwashed into accepting any religion, or way of life, as long as they don’t harm anyone else. The Truth is that God does not. ONLY those who die in Christ Jesus will escape the eternal fire which is coming against all and everything which is tainted with sin.

Almighty God does not hold perverse claptrap, commonly and euphemistically called ‘political correctness’. His standards are NOT the standards of this world, and He does not care what media people, pop stars, politicians, Roz and Dave from Septic Services, or any other purveyor of depraved values, think.

Almighty God, who made all we see, gave His Son’s life to set men free from sin and death, yet so many are prepared to spend hours attacking and trying to destroy all trace of Christ, and His servants, so that they may be made more comfortable in their sin.

They all KNOW that it is the Truth, as if I, and other men of God, were expounding the notion that Mickey Mouse was ‘lord’ they would not bother to say anything, but they attack the Truth as hard as they can.

The Truth is that NO religion, culture, or lifestyle is acceptable to God which is not in agreement with the nature of God. If it is not holy and righteous then it is wicked.

Yet, we hear people bleating on about how offensive the Christian message is to ethnics, sodomites, feminists, paedophiles, thieves, etc. But, let’s remember that none of those people are half as offended as they are going to be when they die, and go to Hell.

Repent while you can. Christ has paid in His own blood to buy you a way to God.

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oh thanks. I almost forgot.



az

More ranting ignorance again, eh Justin?

Let's start with the facts. Absolute truth is not the standard in court; beyond reasonable doubt, in the light of the evidence, is the standard in court. And we all know your opinion of the value of actual evidence as a guide to any really existing state of affairs.

And what does it mean to describe a person as "The Truth?" A person is not a fact, true or otherwise; their existence might be a fact, but so what?

As usual, I am intrigued as to what you think the word "truth" actually means. Most people operate with some form of correspondence theory of truth - a statement is true if it corresponds to the actual state of affairs. But you seem not to. You seem to be operating on the basis of a voice in the head theory of truth. Now I accept that what the voice in your head tells you does indeed correspond with what the voice in your head tells you, but it does it correspond to anything in the actual real world?

Noggin

Noggin are you suggesting you know "truth".
I can't believe your stating that are you?

Of course not. That would be to suggest that there is something called THE TRUTH. However, one must apply some standards, or anyone can say anything and claim it's true without fear of being wrong. Any truth is only true "for a given value of truth." But in the absence oif *any* evidence except a voice in your head that given value is zero.

Noggin

No I disagree.
Truth does not assume peer concensus.
For Justin that is his truth.
To value it as "zero" is offensive to me.

There comes a point at which probablities seem so small as to become meaningless. Now I don't know "the truth", I don't expect any person ever will, but I am very very sure that Justin's version isn't it, because to me it just seems to be so much in contradiction with the world we live in.

We here are all happy for Justin to have his freedom of speech.

We're also quite happy to have the freedom of speech to respond in kind, or a little more rationally if that's within our ability.

Yes Bounce but how does probability align with personal belief.
That's the point. I can't collate belief and intuition with logic.
I would scare myself if I could. At that point I would no longer be "humane" or human.

Does reason have to lead to lack of humanity?

So I don't believe in Justin's god because it does not agree with my experiences of the world and my deductions from them, and I trust my experiences more than I trust Justin. I guess that's all there is to it in the end.

I guess logic might also lead me to believe that if my experiences of the world were wrong then there would be nothing I could do about it, so I might as well accept them as fact and concentrate on trying to get the best possible interpretation of them.

You have to weigh things up, because if you don't then you have no judgement of anything.

The drift to pure analytical thought begets dogmatic beliefs.
Extremeism becomes fashionable with the consequence of dismissing alternative views.

Justin has an alternative view. You have yours. Live and let live without excluding Justin.

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No sh*t!

I have no problem accepting Justin's right to his beliefs and his right to express his beliefs. But he does much more than that. He is rude and insulting and he refuses to accept anyone else's right to their own beliefs. According to Justin we are all idiots and enemies of God (to use a couple of his milder insults) and we are all going to burn for all eternity in hellfire because . . . we can't hear the voice in his head.

I am disagreeing with Justin, which is also my right. And I am still polite to him though he is not polite to me.

az

Hi Oetzi ,

The reason that the 'usual suspects' engage so actively with Justin about his beliefs is not an attempt to prevent his freedom of speech or to convert him from his chosen path. It is an action to protect ours.

In a free society, such as we all dream of seeing one day, each person would be free to voice their opinions and beliefs. In Britain we have a partially free society and enjoy many of the apparent benefits of one.

We only have this because of the slow removal from power of Christianity and its adherents, and more recently the European Charter of Human Rights. Only fifty years ago, if I had openly practiced as a druid, I could have been arrested and imprisoned, or sent to a mental institution for an indefinite period.

The type of Christianity that Justin advocates is extremely intolerant. Just imagine what sort of society we would have if his views were the norm and formed the basis of government and justice. Ironically he would be executed because of his previous wrongdoings, despite his contrition.

Thus whenever Justin speaks in this public forum I shall stand up to be counted and place before the audience an alternative, thus giving people of good conscience at least two views from which to choose or ignore.

I will also defend to the end Justin's right to speak, and totally oppose the pre-mod status he currently enjoys (I say 'enjoys' for he feels it justifies his belief that all 'real' christians will be persecuted). If people are offended by what he says they should oppose him with reason and intellect not go scuttling off to complain to the moderators. They can always ignore him anyway.

Blessings,
Matholwch /|\.

Fair comment Malt.

hi Bouncy,

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I agree with you that we cannot ever know 'the truth', whatever that means. So to proclaim that there is ONLY ONE TRUTH defies not only logic but, well, just about everything else that we know.

I mean, there is truth in various scientific stuff like gravity (things never fall upwards) to give one basic example. But in spiritual and personal matters, all concepts of 'truth' are totally subjective.

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Well, no doubt this is because Justin is a walking and talking contradiction. For example, he continues to call himself a Christian yet he shows no love or caring for humanity, which was Christ's basic raison d'être. The Christ myth was about God being made human and this being was put on earth to teach us compassion for our fellow man and to learn to treat all others in the same manner that we would like to be treated ourselves. Basically, to teach us compassion and basic respect for all others.

Does Justin do this? Need I ask?

az

Az...I have no evidence that Justin conducts an "unchristian" lifestyle. Where is your evidence then?

Oetzi,

Why don't you try speaking to Justin yourself? Maybe he will give you a straight answer if you are looking for evidence.

az

Fair comment Az
I would mot do that because I have no personal wish to question anyones personal religious belief. Not questioning nor commenting.
It's well outside my envelope.

Then why pester everyone else about talking to Justin when you don't want to talk to him yourself?

The tone of the interrogation disturbs me.
So much so that I post.
Intuitive reaction I suppose.
Reminds me of Europe at certain times and certain locations.

In a strange kind of a way that's exactly the point I've been making, Oetzi. Take away the connection to some set of observable facts about the world and there's no check to make you think twice. That's why I have to challenge Justin's dogmatism. I don't tell Justin what to believe. I merely ask what his criteria are for saying certain things are true. I *really* want to know, but I get no response.

Noggin