h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

Everyone until recently measured what was write and wrong by contrast. That is they measured what was right by the values that they had in their hearts. Nowadays one more way of doing it has entered; perverse claptrap, commonly and euphemistically called 'political correctness'. Some, despite knowing that perverse claptrap is sick, and should never have been allowed to crawl out of the slime of the media, politics, and septic services, don't wish to be seen to be non-'PC'. They would rather destroy any trace of any decent value system in themselves than face down their friends, and those who are in filth, one way or another.

Apart from perverse claptrap, human beings normally measure simply by what is in them. They see an event, and what is in them reacts for, against, or neutrally, towards it.

For instance they might see some young man kissing his bride, and they are thrilled. There again they might see a man kill a child and everything in them rises up in outrage, and rightly so.

Following that principle then; we see many people today who see and hear what perverts get up to, and don't have a problem with it. In fact, they quite like it! Why?

Well it is simple; they see perversion, and there is nothing in them which disagrees with it. There is no register that something is wrong; they don't have any reaction. How is that? Well, that is how they are in themselves, even if they don't actually indulge that sort of perversion.

By contrast Christians run on different tracks all together. They have a holiness principle in their heart, and sin of all kinds rankles in them. They see some young man off fornicating with his girlfriend, and everything in them revolts against it. They see the abominable frocks ordaining sodomites, and they want to throw up. They see unrighteousness in business dealings, and they are livid! (Something I have been fired for in the past, when I complained about it.)

Those who are in sin don't usually have much of a problem with it.

But there is the root of why sinners support each other. They know that their particular branch of sin is wickedness against God, and they cannot point out that someone else is in wickedness without condemning themselves. Hence you get feminists supporting sodomites, and fornicators supporting whores, thieves supporting liars.

Those in wickedness simply do have a problem with wickedness. They compare wickedness in someone else with wickedness that is in themselves, and they do not have a problem, there is no contradiction in themselves between what they see and what is in them.

Then they make a blunder; they assume that if only they can engage in denial, or try and make out that God's standards are the same as theirs, all will be well with them when they die.........

hi Justin,

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Well, there is the other option that many people consider your particular and personal god concept as a pile of rubbish.

Me? I have no problem with various people believing in whatever god concept they choose to believe in.

What I do have a problem with is one religious group saying that THEY and THEY ALONE have the only true path to GOD. I mean, how arrogant is that?

In fact, Justin, you are sinning against your own god concept by believing that HE has spoken to YOU. Why you? What makes you so special? To the point that you condemn and hate others for not thinking and believing in the exact same manner as you do.

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Describe 'filth' please.

Most people I know are working hard to support themselves and their families in a very caring and loving fashion. Even though they do not believe in the God that you believe in.

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Well - duh! - perhaps that is because there is no perversion there in the first place, except through your own perverse eyes.

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I disagree. A holiness principle, eh? Based on? Oh, your particular bible. When did people suddenly get to become holy? I say it is total arrogance to consider oneself holy. And I am sure that your GOD would agree.

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Snore. Are you calling me a feminist now because I support the concept that adult humans can have agreed upon sexual relations that may or may not include sodomy? Is that meant to be an insult?

I am actually not a feminist, per se. I am a humanist and I believe in equal rights for all humans. I especially believe in the rights of children. Your bible says - 'spare the rod and spoil the child'. How can you 'spoil' something so perfect as a small child? So do you believe that corporal punishment is the way to go? That one should beat one's child into submission so that they come to accept your particular God?

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Honey, if anyone is living in denial, I would say it is you. Why not open up a bit and see that all the god myths say pretty much the same things as your particular god does? Especially the Jesus concept. Do unto others . . . etc. Very good words. And quite a good golden rule to follow.

I am not a sinner. I live in god every day. Though it is not YOUR God concept that I live in. Yet you insist that my life is worth nothing and that I will burn forever in the flames of hell because . . . what? Because I don't accept YOUR God?

Get a grip.

az

I really do wonder exactly what set of tracks your mind runs on, Justin.

Why do we, the "unsaved", applaud an expression of love (a lovers' kiss) and reject a child's murder? Irrespective of any biblical moral code, irrespective of any interpretation by priests or preachers alike, we, the "unsaved", can and do determine that there is a difference.

One act is a shared expression of love, harming no other person, freely given and received by those involved. It brings happiness to those people and can bring happiness in a small way to those who may glimpse the moment.

The other is an act of violence, aggression and power. It directly results in an unwarranted and cruel death. It brings harm to the family and friends of the victim, to those who inevitably are involved in dealing with the aftermath and is a loss to society as a whole.

Given that we, the "unsaved", can determine this for ourselves (after all, according to YOUR bible, did not Adam and Eve partake of the tree of knowledge thus learning for themselves the difference between good and evil), why can we then not make a similar judgement regarding a similar situation?

It seems beyond your comprehension to understand, Justin. Why is that?

Personally, I see no difference between the shared kiss of two newly-weds on the church steps and the kiss of two men (or women), who have shared a lifetime of love together. Neither expression of LOVE, brings harm to any another, requires forceful co-operation or harms society in ANY way. Neither act needs "policing" in any way shape or form.

Yet you are determined to present homosexual acts, as crimes against society comparable to that of the murder of a child.

Justin, you have sunk to a new depth.

Madent

Well do you know why things have become so 'corrupt' Justin? Its because the people who are largely happy to accept other people, sins and all, are more or less willing to work together to preserve their collective security and freedoms. We call this democracy.

Meanwhile, your lot, the extremists, are too busy with infighting and accusing each other and everyone else of being corrupt and sinful to ever come close to having any real effect on society. Of course, you would define "your lot" slightly differently to me. You would consider your own clique. I would consider everyone who wants control over other people to be your lot, because that's basically what you're advocating - everyone do as you claim to do.

In fact, you'd make a very good Khrushchev if you were coherant and didn't have the subtlety of a car crusher.

Hi Justin

So..."They have a holiness principle in their heart,". More like your type of Christian have a hole in their hearts.

I thought one of the key teachings of your Messiah was that you should love thy neighbour as yourself.

In the outpouring of vitriol and abuse you call preaching I see none of this, none at all.

Love, just in case you have never experienced this (even during your adulterous days), is about acceptance, compassion and trust.

If this means accepting the non-harmful practices of others then you should embrace this.

If it means showing them compassion, then you should practice this.

If you are not willing to exemplify this approach then all you preach and believe you stand for is a lie.

If you choose not to answer this I shall take it you agree.

Blessings,
Matholwch /|\.

So, there it is then, proven. Dirt does not see, and cannot see, a problem with dirt. It is the age old 'turkey problem'; turkeys do not vote for Christmas. Those who are in filth and depravity will not agree with God and condemn themselves. Neither will they agree with God that someone who is a particularly filthy evil is wrong, as that would rebound on them, and those people would say, "Ah! But you are doing this...and that is not right before God either."

The reason then, why people won't agree with God is very simple then, isn't it.........

Again with the hatred and not with the love.

QED?

Blessings,
Matholwch /|\.

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ah, nooooo . . .

I have never found myself having to disagree with a god. Though I have often disagreed with warped human opinions and warped interpretations of the supposed words of verious supposed gods.

az

" Dirt does not see, and cannot see, a problem with dirt. It is the age old 'turkey problem'; turkeys do not vote for Christmas. Those who are in filth and depravity will not agree with God and condemn themselves. Neither will they agree with God that someone who is a particularly filthy evil is wrong"

Yep. You're right Justin. You'll never admit that you are in filth and depravity. You'll never agree with God and condemn youself. You'll not agree that you, who are particularly filthy and evil, are wrong. You will just continue to gallop along as the filthy mount of Satan, enjoying the sting of his whip on your flanks. You are such a fine proof of your own thesis.

But, you see: I agree with God that someone who is a particularly filthy evil is wrong. You are a particularly filthy evil, and you are wrong.