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Kent was established as a kingdom in 449; it was the first Anglo-Saxon Kingdom - reply - The kingdom was not an Anglo-Saxon Kingdom in 449.It was a Jutish Kingdom (it must be remembered that the Jutes were in conflict with these other Tribes at this time).The so called Anglo-Saxons did not take over Kent until much later.The Kent described here was only a small part of what is presently Kent.

The original population was made up of Germanic Jutes and Celtic Britons in equal proportions - reply - where does the evidence of this statement come from ? There has been recent genetic testing on the population that now occupy Kent that suggest the majority can be compared to a geneology similar to those that presently occupy the Basque area.(It is interesting to note that Cantabria region is close to the Basque region).Other regions that have a strong link to the British tribes also have a similar Genetic origin - it has been suggested that the the greater part of the British Isles has also got this link (generally above 75% & at least 66% in England & Wales).It has been suggested that there may have been a dynastic take-over but not a population displacement,especially in Kent.

There was an attempt at peace in 460 AD, but at the feast celebrating the peace the Britons were cut down in an event called, by Geoffrey of Monmouth, 'the Night of the Long Knives'. Vortigern escaped and continued in government but in 465 AD, at the Battle of Wippedsfleot, he was defeated and the British population fled . - reply - These statements must be highly disputed due to recent evidance.Geoffrey of Monmouth writings have often been proved to be historically incorrect.The displacement of the British is increasingly being disputed by alot of academics,historians & genetic scientists etc.

Wessex overran the kingdom in 686 AD and Caedwalla, king of Wessex, put his brother Mull on the throne. The people of Kent did not like this and Mull was killed in a revolt. Caedwalla pacified the kingdom again but the Mercian client king Oswine took the throne of a ravaged Kent - reply - This is the time when an Anglo-Saxon dynasty was created in Kent.If the recent research is correct over a majority population that was of a pre-Roman origin.The reason why the Celtic language seemed to almost disappear is a mystery to most historians who have researched this topic.It has been suggested that a language had already had spread over from the continent that was similar to the Old Anglo-Saxon or related Frisian etc. languages - this is based on guess work only though.Another suggestion is that Celtic languages were outlawed by force.

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Hello 1964Scratchy

Thank you for the comments I take all ideas seriously so in answer to your valued comments....

The original population was made up of Germanic Jutes and Celtic Britons in equal proportions - reply - where does the evidence of this statement come from ?

Question…….
There has been recent genetic testing on the population that now occupy Kent that suggest the majority can be compared to a genealogy similar to those that presently occupy the Basque area. (It is interesting to note that Cantabria region is close to the Basque region).

Ok ….
Anglo-Saxon Chronicles :- various interpretations "There came men of Ald Seaxum of Anglum of Iotum" (Saxons, Angles, and Jutes). The Chronicle documents the subsequent influx of "settlers" who eventually established seven kingdoms: Northumbria, Mercia, East Anglia, Kent, Essex, Sussex, and Wessex.

Agreed numbers are open to debate if you have suggestions for amendment I will willingly support valid amendment as for ethic origin Basque region has been suggested however it has as far as I am aware not been widely accepted so I went with the mass of current opinion.

Question…….
Other regions that have a strong link to the British tribes also have a similar Genetic origin - it has been suggested that the greater part of the British Isles has also got this link (generally above 75% & at least 66% in England & Wales).It has been suggested that there may have been a dynastic take-over but not a population displacement, especially in Kent.


Ok ….
Unfortunately population displacement theory, especially in Kent is still more accepted so the entry reflects current thinking of the bulk of scholars. The phrase “it has been suggested “ concerns me and I would like more evidence before it is called fact.

I am pleased that you have an interest and have taken the trouble to comment, if there is overwhelming evidence I will support am amendment and welcome your input.

A suggestion……..

The overview Guide ID: A22550753 (Edited) could contain an addition covering the points you have raised here. There is some evidence and it should be notes as a new line of research and new evidence gained by genetic testing.


Bob.....

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