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Church, meet State. State, this is Church.

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David Conway

The world according to United States General Jerry Boykin, from

http://www.arbiteronline.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2003/10/20/3f93815e46148

"In June of 2002, Jerry Boykin stepped to the pulpit at the First Baptist Church of Broken Arrow, Okla., and described a set of photographs he had taken of Mogadishu, Somalia, from an Army helicopter in 1993.

The photographs were taken shortly after the disastrous “Blackhawk Down’’ mission had resulted in the death of 18 Americans. When Boykin came home and had them developed, he said, he noticed a strange dark mark over the city. He had an imagery interpreter trained by the military look at the mark. “This is not a blemish on your photograph,’’ the interpreter told him, “This is real.’’

“Ladies and gentleman, this is your enemy,” Boykin said to the congregation as he flashed his pictures on a screen. “It is the principalities of darkness. . . . It is a demonic presence in that city that God revealed to me as the enemy.”

This June, for instance, at the pulpit of the Good Shepherd Community Church in Sandy, Ore., he displayed slides of Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and North Korea’s Kim Jung Il. “Why do they hate us?” Boykin asked. “The answer to that is because we’re a Christian nation. . . . We are hated because we are a nation of believers.”

Our “spiritual enemy,” Boykin continued, “will only be defeated if we come against them in the name of Jesus.”

Boykin has made it clear that he takes his orders not from his Army superiors but from God – which is a worrisome line of command. For another, it is both imprudent and dangerous to have a senior officer guiding the war on terrorism in Iraq and Afghanistan who believes that Islam is an idolatrous, sacrilegious religion against which we are waging a holy war.


When Boykin’s Delta Force commandos went after Atto, they missed him by seconds, he said. “He went on CNN and he laughed at us, and he said, ‘They’ll never get me because Allah will protect me. Allah will protect me.’”

“Well, you know what?” Boykin continued. “I knew that my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol.”

"George Bush was not elected by a majority of the voters in the United States. He was appointed by God."

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Of course, some other people have had different opinions.


"The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity."

- John Adams


"The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion."

- Article 11, Treaty With Tripoli, 4 November 1796


"What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyranny. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy."

- James Madison


"Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together."

- James Madison



Church, meet State. State, this is Church.

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abbi normal "Putting on the Ritz" with Dr Frankenstein

Thanks smiley - evilgrin the text! - Can I add this link to my ongoing rant?


Church, meet State. State, this is Church.

Post 3

David Conway

I can't think of any reason why not, so...

Why not?

Goferit


Church, meet State. State, this is Church.

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abbi normal "Putting on the Ritz" with Dr Frankenstein

Hows life?
It seems you have been busy.


Church, meet State. State, this is Church.

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Willem

Hi abbi and D-sys! Still the problem of religion ... when it goes bad. I just want to say, some people's Christianity is very different from other people's. For some Christians their religion really *is* about peace and love. This person you've mentioned above is in fact not a Christian by this measure of Christianity.

Over here in South Africa the Government keeps asking the churches to help them out with the rebuilding the moral fibre of the nation. This is because we're suffering an overwhelming wave of crime of the most awful kind.

We've become used here in South Africa to 'religion' not meaning any single religion, but different religions in combination. We have Christianity and also Islam, and you know what ... in most cases, the two co-exist peacefully. Christian and Muslim often join their voices over some concerns.


Church, meet State. State, this is Church.

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abbi normal "Putting on the Ritz" with Dr Frankenstein

smiley - peacedove


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