h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

""perhaps you should stop posting to these too and just carry out your action of informing a very uninterested Telewest"

You do not know how interested Telewest would be. If you take into account the reliable technical information I've given, you'll understand that they'll want to put a stop to access to a site which loads heavy data transfer. This might actually solve the problems that its status site has been reporting on Blueyonder Broadband Access, which shares a connection with Telewest's Interactive pages: Broadband/High Speed Internet: Regional Issues.

It has always been like that since I can remember. If Telewest sort out the problem of excessive bandwidth usage, then that might go some way to help fix this problem.

If it is down to the excessive bandwidth stealing on the network, then you have made me a very, very angry Blueyonder customer.

""and being mostly of a high intelligence"

and that has what to do with this?"

What right of yours is it to question somebody's intelligence? Somebody whose posts consist not of "I think your wrong lol " (I'm not saying that's you, Creachy. But most people taking up the contrary role in this debate) Debate of this nature can only succeed in finding a suitable result when both parties have at least the mental capacity to take part in the progress of the conversation.

Completely missing the point is happening too much here, and that -- the difference between it, and contributing to a discussion such as this, is what makes intelligence matter.

You may defend yourself with "I didn't question Saturnine's intelligence", but with the ' ' smiley in place, it only goes so far as to defeat your backup defence such as this.

It is my personal opinion that most of the ex-LD community (Note: Not ALL. Just the obvious ones) is of a lesser intelligence than the rest of the h2g2 community, and mostly the ex-LD community who take part in these conversations to try and conspire that there's an "Us versus Them" situation going on. It is my personal opinion also, that it is only those who join in to defend themselves that are not very intelligent, and believe their very self is being insulted. The rest of such a community with an ounce of intelligence stay back and smile knowingly that they are the best of a bad lot.

That happens to be my opinion. It is neither true nor false, and I'm perfectly within my right to express it, thank you very much."






what? i have just about had enough of you repeating yourself (i ceased reading this post half way through), it is getting quite tiresome. as i said before, please by all means tell Telewest. then come back and let us know how you got on. simple.

Shut up.

It is getting tiresome because so many people refuse to listen. I am getting immensely tired of reiterating everything, and nobody listening. I'm glad you seem to actually be taking things in though.
There never was an argument. There is a bug in the system which Telewest might like to know about. All that is going to happen is Telewest will get a bug report, with detail of its effects.

If it ensues that a lot of researchers cannot access h2g2 from their digibox any longer, that's just a side effect.

I will not, by the way, be using h2g2 for a forum to be the little kid spouting off at the big bully: "I'm telling on you. You asked for it". Because then, the bully hits you. And on a text based forum that means personal insults -- and most likely from the illiterate morons that seem to have a completely screwed up idea about everything.

I'm getting tired of them all.

"All that is going to happen is Telewest will get a bug report, with detail of its effects."


now if you had posted something like this at the beginning then many may not have reacted as if you and Sat were on some kind of discrimination campaign.

as i said, tell them, let us know

Personally as I've said h2g2 would be better without the majority of digibox users, so you might be right. What I've said here is in esscence the same thing I've been saying all along, only some people like to read what isn't there, and bring up the old 'dregs' thread, which is what it has now turned into.

"as i said, tell them, let us know"

No. I said I won't use h2g2 as a forum for progress on how it all goes. And I won't. If and when digibox access is cut off, it will become obvious.

ok then

just for the record, i did mention yesterday somewhere that i understood what you were saying, hence my annoyance at yet another overly long post saying it all again. you may have missed it, i may have put it out of context. so you have my apologies if i angered you there



so after all that, we shall not know of the response to the entire debate we have been having on here?

"Debate".
That was no debate. It was the digibox community getting things out of context.

If and when digibox users fall off the site, believe me it will become obvious. You will not need any progress report.

but if they reply to you that they are aware and will do nothing, we will not know they are aware.

If they pull the access, they will be aware. No need to bother me.
Digiboxers == Gone.
Telewest == Aware.
End.

Good afternoon aka,

I arrived here after not receiving a response to my post in the other thread.

I don’t mean to be rude but aren’t you being just a little bit selfish? This remark is not meant as an insult but as question requiring and answer.

You’ve antagonised the Digibox users by posting that you were making Telewest aware of a possible access violation or a ‘bug report’. Which in turn could tantamount in the ‘magic e-mails’ links being disabled.

Despite denying above that you have encouraged a debate, by posting technical information and legislation on theft you have attempted to justify your personal views on Digibox users accessing this site which has led to some very cross Digibox users disagreeing with you. Continuing this discussion and responding to comments is frankly what I would call a debate.

I am slightly disappointed that Saturnine and yourself would go to such great lengths to make a point only then to refuse to give feedback on the result.

I do share the view that there are a few Digibox users who have not grasped h2g2, spelling, grammar, manners or netiquette but a sweeping generalisation that the ‘majority’ are causing problems is bound to get some backs up.

Anyway the point I was trying to make is that I would be interested to see if Telewest really do give a tooth about the link, and if they don’t why not? There were so many questions regarding the legality of the links and even questioning the morals of people using them I think it would be a good idea to answer them confidently and correctly.

Kind Regards

tis no use Genie. if they send back 'bugga off you sad git' we'll never hear about it. but if they do something to halt the use of the link, we'll have our noses rubbed in it.

reminds me of year 7

mmmmmmmmmm...

Yes, sorry to crash your original thread but I was coming over to ask for feedback and then read what was said....

it is what he asked us to do

though by not giving answers it does make one wonder

'Frustration' is the first word that popped into my head, which is why I was carefully reading the other thread then posted here.

I've now realised there is a grammatical error in my original post......cr*p...

I'm not even on a digibox...

"I arrived here after not receiving a response to my post in the other thread."

Sorry about that. That thread moves rather quickly; Twenty posts per page isn't enough, posts tend to get missed.

"I don?t mean to be rude but aren?t you being just a little bit selfish?"

I believe that it is on a lot of Researchers' minds that h2g2 be rid of those who you describe as having ill grasp of spelling, grammar or indeed netiquette, despite several attempts to educate them, I might add. I'm not saying it is, but I believe it to be.

"Which in turn could tantamount in the ?magic e-mails? links being disabled."

Imagine, somebody parks a 4Mb broadband satellite outside your house, complete with cables. All you have to do is wire that baby up and the actual owner of the dish is billed (It's a flawed analogy, but go with me on this). Not to call this theft, but the bill has to be paid /somewhere/ down the line. Despite who is affected, if Telewest want it fixed, they will discontinue access.

"Continuing this discussion and responding to comments is frankly what I would call a debate."

Well fair enough, but it wasn't started off as a debate. Lots of digibox users thought they were being 'banned' from the site, when this was in fact just a byproduct. Nobody is banning anyone from h2g2. They're free to use h2g2 from any official Internet connection they wish.

"I am slightly disappointed that Saturnine and yourself would go to such great lengths to make a point only then to refuse to give feedback on the result."

I believe if Telewest do cut off the e-mail access, it will become highly obvious on-site. However if they don't, and I report back here "Well, guess what, you were right all along" - it's only going to invite posts of "Yeah, well we told you. Hahahahaha. You're not so superior and god-like now, are you?" Etc. If you see what I mean. It's not that I'm worried that I may be wrong, but saving all the likely trolls *In case* Telewest don't decide to do anything.

I can say though, that they're processing the 'bug report' - or 'support ticket', or whatever you might call it.

"but a sweeping generalisation that the ?majority? are causing problems is bound to get some backs up."

I believe it to be the majority of digibox users. I base that on the idea that the majority of digibox users I've come into contact with are causing problems. That's what I believe, anyway. It may be 50/50, but it seems to me less fairly divided between the Good and the Bad.

"Anyway the point I was trying to make is that I would be interested to see if Telewest really do give a tooth about the link, and if they don?t why not? There were so many questions regarding the legality of the links and even questioning the morals of people using them I think it would be a good idea to answer them confidently and correctly."

If I had all the answers...
If Telewest want to keep the link active, and they give a reason, I'll quote them, if asked. Right now I can't speak for what Telewest think.

Oh, and I wouldn't worry about making grammatical errors. They happen; However when the user completely fails to attempt to grasp grammar, /that's/ when I don't like it.

Oh, and Genie, I did actually respond to your request. How about you actually go and look on the thread properly, instead of bad mouthing me behind my back.

Here we go : F83018?thread=376214&skip=380&show=20#p4827610

Post 384.

Thank you for your response aka.

Thank you too for your response in the other thread Saturnine, I certainly wasn't bad mouthing you here by any stretch of the imagination. Its a shame you feel that I was.

I posted here as I said after receiving no response in the other thread. It just so happened that aka was on-line at the time and you were not.

I then packed up my things at work and left on my merry way to go and start my weekend I access h2g2 at work but I logged on Sunday afternoon and read both responses.

aka - i take it Telewest actioned your complaint? please respond.

It would appear so.

what was that i said about rubbing noses?


as a final statement to you both, you may have got your way after a lot of feet stamping. but remember, you ignored the views of the majority of the community to do that, also, a majority of the now ex-digi box users will return one way or another. your condemnation has not ended by a long shot.
perhaps one day, and i hope it comes, your ignorant retorance will run it's course and leave you high and dry.
morals and legality were not the issue here, your lust for disruption was.
i hope you find it in you one day to live and let live (or at least re-read DNA's welcome note), until that day i will actually pity you both and hope your educational views lead you to intelligent action.

creachy