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Gnomon - time to move on Started conversation Aug 16, 2009
I've been looking through my English translation of Ptolemy's Almagest to see the list of the 48 constellations known to the ancient Greeks. Unfortunately, my translation translates all the Greek names for the constellations into our modern names, so I don't know what the Greek called them.
I was delighted to find a copy on the internet of the complete Almagest in ancient Greek as a PDF file. It was only 17MB. I downloaded the whole thing and can now study it. This was published by a Greek scholar at the end of the 19th Century and is now out of copyright.
I don't speak ancient Greek, but I can compare the table in English and Greek and figure out which bits are the names of the constellations. I've discovered some interesting facts such as that the ancients called Libra "The Claws" as it was the claws of the Scorpion. Libra and Scorpius should really have been one constellation, but that would have played merry hell with their ideas of symmetry.
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Edward the Bonobo - Gone. Posted Aug 16, 2009
>>I've been looking through my English translation of Ptolemy's Almagest
Oh, off!
( Gotta admit...it's a seriously y opening line. )
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Galaxy Babe - eclectic editor Posted Aug 17, 2009
I'm seriously impressed that I already knew that - the alpha-designated star of Libra is called Zubenelgenubi, (Arabic meaning 'the southern claw')
Are you going to write an entry about the ancient Greek constellations?
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Aug 17, 2009
At the moment all I've got is a list of names. I'm not sure that there's enough there to make an interesting entry. But I'll continue reading.
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Icy North Posted Aug 17, 2009
Fascinating stuff - I look forward to seeing how this develops
Apologies if this is a stupid question (I'm not an astronomer). Ptolemy described 97% of the night sky in 48 constellations, but we now describe 100% of it in 88 constellations. So we have invented 40 or so new constellations since. Now, were these 40 included within Ptolemy's constellation boundaries (ie, did he describe his within contiguous areas of sky) or are they filling in gaps between them?
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Aug 17, 2009
Ptolemy's constellations had gaps in between them, and these have been filled in with faint constellations which don't really deserve the name, such as Lynx. One of Ptolemy's constellations was considered too big and was split up into four three new ones. And the are missing 3% has also been filled in.
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Aug 17, 2009
An interesting coincidence:
The Greek name for Gemini is Didymôn, a word I had never seen before, which I presume means twins. Yesterday I saw a window-sticker in a car "Say No to Didymon". No idea what that was about.
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Icy North Posted Aug 17, 2009
Didym- is a medical prefix denoting the testacles...
Yes, I know that doesn't explain anything.
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Icy North Posted Aug 17, 2009
Didymus, on the other hand, was a noted Alexandrian scholar of the 1st Century BC. His nicknames were Chalkenteros (‘Brazen-bowels’)* and Bibliolathas (‘Book-forgetting’).
* Answers on a postcard, please.
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Edward the Bonobo - Gone. Posted Aug 17, 2009
He seems to have been an adulterous acquantance of Diogenes. But I'm sticking with the Ken Dodd theory. Tatifilarious!
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Icy North Posted Aug 17, 2009
Maybe your car sticker said 'Stop the Didymo' - it's a form of invasive algae. I'm not sure if it's the same as 'Red Tide' which is currently threatening Cornwall (I saw a few dead fish in St Ausell Bay last week).
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Edward the Bonobo - Gone. Posted Aug 17, 2009
Someone's campaigning against tides? They must be complete Cnuts.
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Aug 17, 2009
According to Wikipedia, Didymo is also known as 'rock snot'. That's interesting.
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Icy North Posted Aug 17, 2009
(This is rapidly turning into an episode of The Burke Special)
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Edward the Bonobo - Gone. Posted Aug 17, 2009
All we need to do is put on a safari jacket , leap around and gibber inanely.
I can manage the last part, anyway.
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