A Conversation for Project: Baroque Music
If it's not Baroque...
Dragonfly. "A poet can survive everything but a misprint"-- Oscar Wilde Started conversation Aug 31, 2000
I remember taking oboe lessons(I'll have to write an article for oboes, since it is lacking....) a few... ::cough:: possibly several years ago, and my teacher had me play one or two Baroque pieces. If I remember right, my teacher held to the claim that Hayden was a Baroque composer...
Also, much of music consists of patterns. A phrase of melody would often repeat itself in this style of music, played softer the second time than the first. Baroque music reminds one of fancy, ballroom dancing, and proper lords and ladies, greeting one another in the formal manner of dance.
it does that for me, anyway!! AND GOOD GRIEF!!! I LOOOVE the Four Seasons!!! Especially Fall!!!
If it's not Baroque...
Kes Posted Sep 1, 2000
Hi!
The boundaries are always debatable. I put Haydn into Classical (although his "time" overlaps with Bach) because he wrote symphonies rather than concerti grossi. He certainly learned his trade during the Baroque era.
If you like four seasons - take a look at my draft article - either vis my home page, or it's reference: A423154. I'd love to get some feedback on it.
If it's not Baroque...
Joe aka Arnia, Muse, Keeper, MathEd, Guru and Zen Cook (business is booming) Posted Sep 2, 2000
Baroque is very mathematically precise music. It follows strong patterns. You can actually find parallels with the maths of the time. It was very mechanistic, rules based maths, the music has the same tone. It is my mum's favourite period though.
I do like "Tocatta and Fugue in D minor" and it is a perfect example of music/maths for its own sake.
If it's not Baroque...
h2g2 Musicians Guild Posted Sep 5, 2000
I thought you might be interested. I ran across an entry on a Baroque-era composer.
Henry Purcell
http://www.h2g2.com/A402049
The author probably wouldn't mind having his entry included in your project, if you feel it is worthwhile.
If it's not Baroque...
Kes Posted Sep 5, 2000
Thanks. I had noticed it, and yes, I'll put in a ref. I contacted the author about my project, but no reply yet.
BTW - Joanna and I think the covering article is now complete (apart from a couple of references for articles not yet written), so anytime you could cast a proof-reader's eye over it ....
Thanks
If it's not Baroque...
shazzPRME Posted Sep 8, 2000
Probably one of the most influential composers of Baroque music had to be Telemann... but which composition would you choose?
One of the most striking things about the period had to be the composers reliance on the performers to interpret their music and add dynamics and ornaments where appropriate.
Thus recorder music of the period is remarkably bare unless the present day performer understands that it is their responsibility to actually shape and ornament the music.
Has their been an article written on ornamentation yet does anyone know? If not, I certainly don't mind tackling it, provided you can give me a little time to run the Post in the meantime
shazz
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Dragonfly. "A poet can survive everything but a misprint"-- Oscar Wilde Posted Sep 8, 2000
OOo... ornamentation brings me to a good point about musicians-- there is musical ability(skill, understanding of harmony, melody, intonation, etc), and then there is musicianship!!! Two completely different concepts.
I battled a fellow teenage oboist someyear ago, and she was precise-- perfect at scales, adept at arpeggios.... But I got her with my PASSION!!!
If it's not Baroque...
shazzPRME Posted Sep 9, 2000
I agree completely
I have managed to catch a few performances of the *Bach 48* late at night on the Beeb, and have been struck how some performers just play their offering as written, in an almost mechanical way, and others put that little bit of something extra in and turn it into a magical piece
Long Live Interpretation, Emotion and Individuality!
shazzPRME
If it's not Baroque...
Kes Posted Sep 10, 2000
Yes - performers and composers of the era would agree. Scores were very "outline only" in most cases, so musicians needed to understand about harmonies, and ornamentation, to improvise their parts. Did I hear a "promise" of an item on ornamentation? Yes please! Thanks.
If it's not Baroque...
shazzPRME Posted Sep 11, 2000
OK... although I have to try and get my brain around my project on modes, scales and the development of same within musical history... a project which looks as if it will take me quite some time! LOL
shazzPRME
If it's not Baroque...
Kes Posted Sep 11, 2000
Yes, it will, though there's heaps of material around. The problem will be deciding what level of detail to stop at. Good luck! (I hardly dare to offer editorial help to such exhalted company, but if you need a second pair of eyes on the text, or a second opinion ... happy to help.)
If it's not Baroque...
shazzPRME Posted Sep 12, 2000
Thank you... I will probably hold you to that offer! Sometimes it's hard to see the wood for the trees! LOL
I know what you mean about the scales project... I could fill a whole book with just 'modes' if I'm not careful! I don't want to *dumb it down*, but I want to try and make it reasonably understandable for those who don't have a thorough knowledge of music notation!
Now... if I can just work out how to get this Cakewalk prog. to work, I can make a start
shazzPRME
If it's not Baroque...
Kes Posted Sep 15, 2000
OK - just shout when you've got a draft going. Happy to help.
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If it's not Baroque...
- 1: Dragonfly. "A poet can survive everything but a misprint"-- Oscar Wilde (Aug 31, 2000)
- 2: Kes (Sep 1, 2000)
- 3: Joe aka Arnia, Muse, Keeper, MathEd, Guru and Zen Cook (business is booming) (Sep 2, 2000)
- 4: h2g2 Musicians Guild (Sep 5, 2000)
- 5: Kes (Sep 5, 2000)
- 6: shazzPRME (Sep 8, 2000)
- 7: Dragonfly. "A poet can survive everything but a misprint"-- Oscar Wilde (Sep 8, 2000)
- 8: shazzPRME (Sep 9, 2000)
- 9: Kes (Sep 10, 2000)
- 10: shazzPRME (Sep 11, 2000)
- 11: Kes (Sep 11, 2000)
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