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Your post covers a lot of stuff; I am just going to share about the point in time in which we live;

Revelations was written for believers; to get his writings past the guards John could not write clearly; he wrote things and then jumbled them up;

Therefore you can not apply a straight line time sequence to Revelations; you have to know the christian and biblical terminology to understand who and when John writes about;

I believe that the tribulation, 666, man of sin, antichrist, has already happened; we called it the dark ages; with the reformation the Bible was published and made available to the public, which matches Revalations 12 or 13, "they overcame it by their testemony and the word".

So I think that we are on 2 converging vectors, one is revival and the other armagedeon; after armagedeon starts, Jesus will come as the ruler of the world: "every eye shall see him, every knee shall bow"

Then there will be the separation of the just and the unjust; followed by the millenium of restauration of the world to perfect, satan is loosed for a last time, the millenium closes, the material heavens and earth pass away, while our spirits and souls live forever with God.

God bless
John Paul

Yeah, I know we all struggle with putting the pieces of the puzzle in the correct places. We have to have a fundamental working knowledge of Revelation, just to be able to START.

Thanks for writing.

Em

This 'Book we have'-how do you know it really is from God? May I ask, do you stone homosexuals to death as well as family members and friends who are not Christian?

I'm sorry I used to be a Fundamentalist Christian. I just cannot accept that this Book is the Word of God-and even if it is, how do you know your interpretation is the correct one?

---except that Satan is already LOOSE; and the Illuminati (Satanists who have organized and taken over control) have been in power since the Crusades. There are orders of Heraldry, Opus Dei and Knights of Malta, whose only purpose is to restore the unilateral empire of the Pope.

...THAT violates Free Will, which is also Satan's "schtick" that mankind must be "guided by higher wisdom" rather than depend on relationship to God YHVH.
...Satan has been loose now for about 1000 years. Enough is enough, methinks. I'm gagging on Satan's idea of "higher wisdom," which is >now< the New World Order, top-down bureaucratic scum.
...Blech.

Emily

How to understand the Bible?

Let’s all go to a coffee lounge, imagine a huge assortment of sofas and coffee tables, order your drinks and eats and feel cosy in our company, as the piano plays sleepy shores.

I recently got this little book, and want to share a little bit of it with you.

How to analyse the Bible , Discovering the context of Scripture by using the historical – critical method, by P J Van Dyk.

This book cost me just over a pound, and it would be a bargain even with postage costs to the other side of the world. It must be said up front that ‘critical means differentiating and analytical in its approach and uses certain criteria’.

What I like about it is ‘ this book is a modest attempt to explain as simply and comprehensibly as possible the historical – critical method of Bible exposition.’ First paragraph of the foreword.

‘I trust that this book will be of help to the ordinary Bible reader as well as the Bible student in providing a better insight into the Bible…’.

So as not to disrespect any copy rights I am just going to show a couple of paragraphs, while I will trace and invite him to visit the board as well!

As a short sample, ‘ the provisional title page of the Pentateuch would be:

The Pentateuch

3 rd revised and extended edition by the Yahwist

as revised by the Elohist

Finally revised and edited by the Priestly Writer

With smaller alterations and supplements by different revisers

Originally published in Jerusalem circa 900-600 BC

Latest edition published in Babylon circa 500 BC


Jumping to later in the book,

‘Many believers may find our treatment of the creation account …disconcerting. For this implies ( wrongly!) that they are not true. This is not the case. If we see God’s revelation in the message of the Bible, …that God made everything, that man has an exceptionally priviliged position in creation, and other truths which are brought out in Genesis 1 and 2, they will always be valuable.’

For those familiar with his terminology, he states ‘that the historical critical method is very useful, provided that certain one-sided and mechanical applications of the method are avoided.’ ( avoiding ‘paralysis by analysis’, or ‘apocalipse by cut and cut and cut’, sort of ).

He also throws a life line to consensus of the faith, in this paragraph- ‘ a wider …perspective is also possible; It is then accepted that God reveals himself in all the facets of the Bible, whether literary, historical, social, sociological, or religious. In this case the other perspectives are not just used for illustration or background to the literary nature of the Bible, but contain a ‘message’ themselves.’

The writer ends with ‘the historical – critical method is indeed critical and scholarly, but it is not necessarily ‘sceptical’, as is evident from the fact that a great number of believing theologians have used and are still using the method.

This little book of 83 pages was published in 1987, so it may also be available on the net by now. As it is not blazing a trail through the cash tills ( that I know of ), it might still be in stock too.

I have a few questions for him, and perhaps others would too, so it would be great to bring him aboard .

My first question would be why does he not see that the creation before the fall was in a different spiritual dimension which we call paradise lost, and which will be recreated when Jesus comes again, ‘thy kingdom come’, for a thousand years.

I have no problem understanding his explanation of various writers, and of the 2 different presentations of Genesis.

While P J van Dyk talks of the stories of creation and others of being supra-historical, he talks of a presentation method which to him is an higher level and enriches his faith. However common man using the same words of legends and myths fail to give more value to the meaning and use those same words to try and deny, for themselves and others, the meaning that the presentation is conveying .

To those of us who have experienced God’s power in our personnal lives we have no problem accepting a miraculous creation and other spiritual interventions found in the Bible. Whether the words are literal only in value, or of symbolic value, or of multi faceted value, we accept them as true. This machine-shotgun approach of believe all is perhaps more failsafe then trying to pinpoint target identification, this is a, this b, this c, this bc, etc.

Now I believe that the Bible is simple enough for most of us; most of us can see the different values most of the time. And ultimatly, the Bible is the general revelation from God to all of us. Beyond lies the personnal revelation which will be different as God’s relationship and plan, or personnal requests from each one of us, will be different.

This personnal rhema obviously can not in anyway contradict the general revelation given to us in writing; when God calls someone to be a missionary in darkest Europe, the person better make sure of the calling, because it contradicts general jurisprudence such as found in Proverbs. Gabriel appeared to both Mary and Joseph, explaining to both what was happening beforehand; so don’t let me tell you, that God told me to tell you to give me all your money…

I believe that most of us already know a lot more than we practice, and so the biggest challenge is for our actions to catch up to our intellectual, spiritual and rhema knowledge of God.

God bless

John Paul

It is nice to come across you again. Let me share how I understand it;

In the Old Testament we have fore - types of Jesus, or of God; so right back with Cain and Able, the lamb was a type symbolic of Jesus the sacrifice to come in the future. Note that originally in Paradise man was a vegetarian.

So God could not accept Cain's vegies; the symbolism would be lost.

In the times before Jesus, both since Moses and before Moses, God related to mankind via obediance, of the rituals and actions which point to Jesus and to God.

any deviation from these where a rejection of God; going still further back in time, after the creation of the spiritual world, lucifer rebelled against God; but because he had deceived Adam and Eve, he was able to take refuge in the earth, and carried on deceiving mankind hoping to use us as hostages from his judgement to come.

So God even destroyed a whole lot of people and saved Noah and his family, to restart the creation of mankind. By their behaviour mankind had rejected God; being his creation, he also has the right to reject them; and rejection from God means destruction, since he is the source of all power/energy/light.

So there is no need to be shocked at the apparent harshness of the judgement of people, individually or in whole groups, since these people knew that they were going against their instructions.

We, you, see that period in time aganist the way that God relates to us in the present dispensation; this is very incorrect; it is only after Jesus which we have a dispensation of Grace, because his sacrifice was consumated;

God - Jesus will judge people differently according to their circunstances and their framework of relating to God.

God revealed himself in creating us, Adam and Eve and children; there is some aspect some revelation of God in that.

That is why samesexuallity is not acceptable to God, just like others things like lying, cheating, stealing. Swindling, says the King James; thnk of people stealing peoples taxes via bribary and corruption...

It is again revealing that of the items mentioned by Paul which are not acceptable to God, they are sexual imoralities and stealing, a reflection of satans deception of our instincts; even sex is somehow a reflection of God, and the abuse and misuse is therefore wrong; samesex action stops reflecting God and starts reflecting rebellion against God.

Paul directed that people who claim to "have the right to sin" be set out from the church. They are not followers of Jesus Christ, but of their own lusts and desires.

God previously set such people out from Israel, when the church was the nation. People knew the consequences of their choices and could chose to leave Israel, and stop being Hebrews, so that they could carry out their imorality.

So, I hope that it will help you understand what has happened to people in the past, and how blessed we are to live in this last dispensation of Forginess and Grace!

God bless
John Paul

The Bible says that when Jesus returns, "every eye will see him and every knee shall bow"

at his return, while armagedeon is in progress, the mosque above the temple in Jerusalem will be rent and torn.

Not just the believers will see Jesus; the Bible goes on to explain that the time for repentance is over;

Jesus then will take the throne and rule over all the earth; "the meek shall rule the earth"

Jesus will separate the believers from the non believers, with the non believers taken away; Jesus parables of the wheat and shaft, sheep and goats.

none of this has happen yet; the 2nd coming is still in the future; to understand what happened with the roman chatolic church, here goes:

Paul explained that before the 2nd coming, there would come a "falling away"; that the ceaser roman empire would pass away, followed by the papal roman empire; I think that the falling away of the roman catholic church is well documented.

Martin Luther and the reformation put an end to the 666, man of sin, antichrist, what ever other names he may have. The legacy of such a period of the falling away is still visible today in the rcc; the bible specifically mentioned 'not allowing to marry' and it is one of the 5 items the rcc must grapple with, mentioned by John Paul 2.

However the rcc has accepted " Salvation by Faith "; so we can see the rcc rediscovering their christian roots, back to before the falling away; I am not an expert on the rcc, but John Paul 2 made a real effort to steer the structure, hierchy of the church back to christinanity.

You might have missed it but the reconciliation of the rcc with the lutheran church, the greek orthodox, and many others, including raproachment with the church of england/episcopalian/anglican church, was a huge " rising away " from the falling away which had taken place before.

My personal belief is that the word 'times' in revelation had made John Paul 2 believe that Jesus would come back in the year 2000, and so he made a gigantic effort; he was crucially assisted by the current pope, so that gives me confidance for the future of the rcc.

I will send you the reconciliation of the rcc with the lutheran churches,

God Bless
John Paul ( my own name )

About these other various groups of people;

there is at the moment a very interesting 4 part series on the Crusades in the History channel; just remember that historians do not always understand faith clearly, but it cover the period from the raising of the first crusades until they stopped;

Here I should emphasise that there is no Holy Land as such for christianity; no need for pieces of wood from "the cross", or other artefacts like the Ark of the Covenant, the shroud, the soldiers lance, etc. Christ in us, our spiritual rebirth, the gifts and fruits of the Holy Spirit inside us, that is precious.

we than have the period of the templars trying to regroup following the defeat in Jerusalem, their persecution in france and their re naissance into the free masons.

Because of the betrail by the rcc, they are believed to have gone off course in their naming of a supreme deity, and no longer follow Jesus Christ as such; however lately they are giving up their religious side, and I believe that because of the revival of the latter rain, they will end up realigning themselves with christianity, at least in christian countries.

I am not bothered by these groups, they are like the Socialist International, which has absorved the Communist International, and which seek to gain control over the world. These are much more real than the Illuminati, I think.

There is a 3 cornered fight for the world right now: the right, the left, and the Islam. the right and left fight with votes in Europe and North America, but with bullets in South America, and other places like Timor.

Islam is using bullets from the Phillipines to Western Africa, openly, and under cover even in the USA. They are rallying behind a call for the destruction of Israel, and fighting the arab governments which are not applying themselves to the cause spelt out by the muslim clerics since the creation of Israel- a date used by people as a reason why now adays will be the 2nd coming ( fig tree) - the destruction of Israel.

The galvanising of Islam and its attempted conquering of the world, trying to repeat the push from Medina to France, to Bosnia, to Russia and to India and Phillipines, will I believe push ( stick ) the spiritual awareness of those deceived by Socialism, communism, and even those sects which have claimed to be christian but have another book, like the mormons, the masons, jw's, etc.

the carrot is obviously the outpouring of the Holy Spirit unto all people,

God bless
John Paul

This 'Book we have'-how do you know it really is from God? May I ask, do you stone homosexuals to death as well as family members and friends who are not Christian?

...A person who is in communion with God doesn't ask such a question. With the final sacrifice of Jesus and His Death, that should have been the end of capital punishment for victimless crimes. But of course, people are slow to catch on to concepts like Mercy, Tolerance and Forebearance.

I'm sorry I used to be a Fundamentalist Christian. I just cannot accept that this Book is the Word of God-and even if it is, how do you know your interpretation is the correct one?

...I used to be a Fundy also. Now I react very strongly, as you appear to do, against the kind of automatic group-think that they portray. The thing they do (a hypocritical behavior of the lowest of the low) that really drives me up the wall is foment war so that Jesus will beam them up before the Tribulation.
...Gag.

Emily

Dear John Paul, I did this form of Bible exegesis about twenty-five years ago when our family attended the Seminary Chapel in Alexandria, Virginia.

It was very enjoyable at the time; but then I moved.

Thanks for bringing it up again.

Emily

John Paul says,

So, I hope that it will help you understand what has happened to people in the past, and how blessed we are to live in this last dispensation of Forginess and Grace!

Yes! Indeed! The way you have described how our history progresses and comes down to us is very much the same way I understand it.

Thank you for sharing.

Emily

John Paul says, The Bible says that when Jesus returns, "every eye will see him and every knee shall bow"

at his return, while armagedeon is in progress, the mosque above the temple in Jerusalem will be rent and torn.


I think this already happened. Los Angeles, Feb 25, 1942 at 2:25 am

See the film http://www.theufomovie.com/j8t9m5.html

This is why I feel that Fundamentalists are wishing and hoping for an event that they cannot recognize in the present or future, because it happened in the past.

Emily

John Paul said, About these other various groups of people;

there is at the moment a very interesting 4 part series on the Crusades in the History channel; just remember that historians do not always understand faith clearly, but it cover the period from the raising of the first crusades until they stopped--

...I don't own a teevee. It me it's Satan's window.

...But I agree that we are seeing a return to the sort of medieval, top-down, dictatorial thinking that spawned the crusades of a thousand years ago.

...I also believe the same partisans are in their same roles of fomenting terror and war, as a thousand years ago. This is merely an extension of an old cosmic conflict ... and it's going to require God's intervention, to put it to rest.

...There are the same three ideologies at work, in a three-way intractable conflict : the Occult (Babylonian mysticism and naturalism), Satanism (intolerant, "holier than thou" ideologies, and the desire to exercise free will that is characteristic of all God's Covenants with His Chosen families and cultural groups : Jews and Christians.

...The part of Christianity that does not accept free will (Catholicism in the form of Opus Dei, the Jesuits and the Knights of Malta) is part of Satanism, and it uses the trappings of ancient societies to make itself believable.

...The part of Judaism that does not accept free will (Zionism and Phariseeism) put into place a Talmud-addition to Scripture that wholly and in part repudiates the Law.

...Islam repudiates free will out of the starting gate because its origins go back to manipulations of the original Catholic Church.

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History Books are written by the winners, not by the vulnerable.
*********************

If America sleeps, many will die and evil will run its course just
like it has since the Pope's Crusades of the Middle Ages.

The Vatican is the main source of evil and the Jesuits do their
dirty work. If you remain skeptical, listen to the words of former
Jesuit priest, the deceased Fr. Rivera, killed by the wicked hand of
the Society of Jesus.

Testimony of Alberto Rivera :

What I'm going to tell you is what I learned in secret briefings in
the Vatican when I was a Jesuit priest, under oath and induction. A
Jesuit cardinal named Augustine Bea showed us how desperately the
Roman Catholics wanted Jerusalem at the end of the third century.
Because of its religious history and its strategic location, the
Holy City was considered a priceless treasure. A scheme had to be
developed to make Jerusalem a Roman Catholic city.

The great untapped source of manpower that could do this job was the
children of Ishmael. The poor Arabs fell victim to one of the most
clever plans ever devised by the powers of darkness.

Early Christians went everywhere with the gospel setting up small
churches, but they met heavy opposition. Both the Jews and the Roman
government persecuted the believers in Christ to stop their spread.

But the Jews rebelled against Rome, and in 70 AD, Roman armies under
General Titus smashed Jerusalem and destroyed the great Jewish
temple which was the heart of Jewish worship, in fulfillment of
Christ's prophecy in Matthew 24:2. On this holy place today where
the temple once stood, the Dome of the Rock Mosque stands as Islam's
third most holy place.

Sweeping changes were in the wind. Corruption, apathy, greed,
cruelty, perversion and rebellion were eating at the Roman Empire,
and it was ready to collapse. The persecution against Christians was
useless as they continued to lay down their lives for the gospel of
Christ.

The only way Satan could stop this thrust was to create a
counterfeit "Christian" religion to destroy the work of God. The
solution was in Rome.

Their religion had come from ancient Babylon and all it needed was a
face-lift.

This didn't happen overnight, but began in the writings of
the "early church fathers." It was through their writings that a new
religion would take shape.

The statue of Jupiter in Rome was eventually called St. Peter, and
the statue of Venus was changed to the Virgin Mary. The site chosen
for its headquarters was on one of the seven hills
called "Vaticanus," the place of diving serpent where the Satanic
temple of Janus stood. The great counterfeit religion was Roman
Catholicism, called "Mystery, Babylon the Great, the Mother of
Harlots and Abominations of the Earth." Revelation 17:5.

She was raised up to block the gospel, slaughter the believers in
Christ, establish religions, create wars and make the nations drunk
with the wine of her fornication as we will see.

The roots of Islam are traced to a tribal contention over a well,
(Zamzam), the treasure of the Kaaba. The offerings that pilgrims had
given were dumped down the well and it was filled with sand - it
disappeared. Many years later Adb Al-Muttalib was given visions
telling him where to find the well and its treasure. He became the
hero of Mecca, and he was destined to become the grandfather of
Muhammad.

Before this time, Augustine became the bishop of North Africa and
was effective in winning Arabs to Roman Catholicism, including whole
tribes. It was among these Arab converts to Catholicism that the
concept of looking for an Arab prophet developed.

Muhammad's father died from illness. After his mother and
grandfather also died, Muhammad was with his uncle. A Roman Catholic
monk learned of his identity and said, "Take your brother's son back
to his country and guard him against the Jews, for by god, if they
see him and know of him that which I know, they will construe evil
against him. Great things are in store for this brother's son of
yours." The Roman Catholic monk had fanned the flames for future
Jewish persecutions at the hands of the followers of Muhammad.

The Vatican desperately wanted Jerusalem because of its religious
significance, but was blocked by the Jews. Another problem was the
true Christians in North Africa who preached the gospel. Roman
Catholicism was growing in power, but would not tolerate opposition.

Somehow the Vatican had to create a weapon to eliminate both the
Jews and the true Christian believers who refused to accept Roman
Catholicism.

Looking to North Africa, they saw the multitudes of Arabs as a
source of manpower to do their dirty work. Some Arabs had become
Roman Catholic, and could be used in reporting information to
leaders in Rome. Others were used in an underground spy network to
carry out Rome's master plan to control the great multitudes of
Arabs who rejected Catholicism.

When "St Augustine" appeared on the scene, he knew what was going
on. His monasteries served as bases to seek out and destroy Bible
manuscripts owned by the true Christians. The Vatican wanted to
create a messiah for the Arabs, someone they could raise up as a
great leader, a man with charisma whom they could train, and
eventually unite all the non-Catholic Arabs behind him, creating a
mighty army that would ultimately capture Jerusalem for the pope.

In the Vatican briefing, Cardinal Bea told us this story: A wealthy
Arabian lady who was a faithful follower of the pope played a
tremendous part in this drama. She was a widow named Khadijah. She
gave her wealth to the church and retired to a convent, but was
given an assignment. She was to find a brilliant young man who could
be used by the Vatican to create a new religion and become the
messiah for the children of Ishmael.

Khadijah had a cousin named Waraquah,, who was also a very faithful
Roman Catholic and the Vatican placed him in a critical role as
Muhammad's advisor. He had tremendous influence on Muhammad.
Teachers were sent to young Muhammad and he had intensive training.

Muhammad studied the works of St. Augustine which prepared him for
his "great calling." The Vatican had Catholic Arabs across North
Africa spread the story of a great one who was about to rise up
among the people and be the chosen one of their God.

While Muhammad was being prepared, he was told that his enemies were
the Jews and that the only true Christians were Roman Catholic. He
was taught that others calling themselves Christians were actually
wicked impostors and should be destroyed. Many Muslims believe this.

Muhammad began receiving "divine revelations" and his wife's
Catholic cousin Waraquah helped interpret them. From this came the
Koran.

In the fifth year of Muhammad's mission, persecution came against
his followers because they refused to worship the idols in the
Kaaba. Muhammad instructed some of them to flee to Abysinnia where
Negus, the Roman Catholic king, accepted them because Muhammad's
views on the virgin Mary were so close to Roman Catholic doctrine.
These Muslims received protection from Catholic kings because of
Muhammad's revelations.

Muhammad later conquered Mecca and the Kaaba was cleared of idols.
History proves that before Islam came into existence, the Sabeans in
Arabia worshipped the moon-god who was married to the sun-god. They
gave birth to three goddesses who were worshipped throughout the
Arab world as "Daughters of Allah" An idol excavated at Hazor in
Palestine in 1950's shows Allah sitting on a throne with the
crescent moon on his chest. Muhammad claimed he had a vision from
Allah and was told, "You are the messenger of Allah." This began his
career as a prophet and he received many messages.

By the time Muhammad died, the religion of Islam was exploding. The
nomadic Arab tribes were joining forces in the name of Allah and his
prophet, Muhammad. Some of Muhammad's writings were placed in the
Koran, others were never published. They are now in the hands of
high ranking holy men (Ayatollahs) in the Islamic faith. When
Cardinal Bea shared with us in the Vatican, he said, These writings
are guarded because they contain information that links the Vatican
to the creation of Islam. Both sides have so much information on
each other, that if exposed, it could create such a scandal that it
would be a disaster for both religions.

In their "holy" book, the Koran, Christ is regarded as only a
prophet. If the pope was His representative on earth, then he also
must be a prophet of God. This caused the followers of Muhammad to
fear and respect the pope as another "holy man."

The pope moved quickly and issued bulls granting the Arab generals
permission to invade and conquer the nations of North Africa. The
Vatican helped to finance the building of these massive Islamic
armies in exchange for three favors:

1. Eliminate the Jews and Christians (true believers, which they
called infidels).

2. Protect the Augustinian Monks and Roman Catholics.

3. Conquer Jerusalem for "His Holiness" in the Vatican.

As time went by, the power of Islam became tremendous. Jews and true
Christians were slaughtered, and Jerusalem fell into their hands.
Roman Catholics were never attacked, nor were their shrines, during
this time. But when the pope asked for Jerusalem, he was surprised
at their denial!

The Arab generals had such military success that they could not be
intimidated by the pope -- nothing could stand in the way of their
own plan. Under Waraquah's direction, Muhammad wrote that Abraham
offered Ishmael as a sacrifice. The Bible says that Isaac was the
sacrifice, but Muhammad removed Isaac's name and inserted Ishmael's
name.

As a result of this and Muhammad's vision, the faithful Muslims
built a mosque, the Dome of the Rock, in Ishmael's honor on the site
of the Jewish temple that was destroyed in 70 AD. This made
Jerusalem the 3rd most holy place in the Islam faith. How could they
give such a sacred shrine to the pope without causing a revolt? The
pope realized what they had created was out of control when he heard
they were calling "His Holiness" an infidel.

The Muslim generals were determined to conquer the world for Allah
and now they turned toward Europe. Islamic ambassadors approached
the pope and asked for papal bulls to give them permission to invade
European countries. The Vatican was outraged; war was inevitable.
Temporal power and control of the world was considered the basic
right of the pope. He wouldn't think of sharing it with those whom
he considered heathens.

The pope raised up his armies and called them crusades to hold back
the children of Ishmael from grabbing Catholic Europe. The crusades
lasted centuries and Jerusalem slipped out of the pope's hands.
Turkey fell and Spain and Portugal were invaded by Islamic forces.
In Portugal, they called a mountain village "Fatima", in honor of
Muhammad's daughter, never dreaming it would become world famous.

Years later when the Muslim armies were poised on the islands of
Sardinia and Corsica, to invade Italy, there was a serious problem.
The Islamic generals realized they were too far extended. It was
time for peace talks. One of the negotiators was Francis of Assisi.
As a result, the Muslims were allowed to occupy Turkey in
a "Christian" world, and the Catholics were allowed to occupy
Lebanon in the Arab world. It was also agreed that the Muslims could
build mosques in Catholic countries without interference as long as
Roman Catholicism could flourish in Arab countries.

Cardinal Bea told us in Vatican briefings that both the Muslims and
Roman Catholics agreed to block and destroy the efforts of their
common enemy, Bible-believing Christian missionaries. Through these
concordats, Satan blocked the children of Ishmael from a knowledge
of Scripture and the truth.

A light control was kept on Muslims from the Ayatollah down through
the Islamic priests, nuns and monks. The Vatican also engineers a
campaign of hatred between the Muslim Arabs and the Jews. Before
this, they had co-existed peacefully.

The Islamic community looks on the Bible-believing missionary as a
devil who brings poison to the children of Allah. This explains
years of ministry in those countries with little results.

The next plan was to control Islam. In 1910, Portugal was going
Socialistic. Red flags were appearing and the Catholic Church was
facing a major problem. Increasing numbers were against the church.
The Jesuits wanted Russia involved, and the location of this vision
at Fatima, could play a key part in pulling Islam to the Mother
Church.

In 1917, the Virgin appeared in Fatima. "The Mother of God" was a
smashing success, playing to overflow crowds. As a result, the
Socialists of Portugal suffered a major defeat. Roman Catholics
world-wide began praying for the conversion of Russia, and the
Jesuits invented the Novenas to Fatima which they could perform
throughout North Africa, spreading good public relations to the
Muslim world.

The Arabs thought they were honoring the daughter of Muhammad. This
is what the Jesuits wanted them to believe, as a result of the
vision of Fatima.

Pope Pius XII ordered his Nazi army to crush Russia and the Orthodox
religion and make Russia Roman Catholic." A few years after he lost
World war II, Pope Pius XII startled the world with his phoney
dancing sun vision to keep Fatima in the news. It was great
religious show biz and the world swallowed it. Not surprisingly,
Pope Pius was the only one to see this vision.

As a result, a group of followers has grown into a Blue Army world-
wide, totaling millions of faithful Roman Catholics ready to die for
the blessed virgin. But we haven't seen anything yet. The Jesuits
have their Virgin Mary scheduled to appear four or five times in
China, Russia, and major appearance in the U.S.. This is
what "Project Blue Beam" is all about, great pretended apparitions
of Vatican Roma's Virgin.

Greg Szymanski
http://www.arcticbeacon.com/14-July-2006.html

*********** I gave you the whole article here.

So nice to talk to you, John Paul. See you later!

Emily

Sorry, I missed your cue: I pay disability compensation pensions! you can see some of my pensioners in my fotos of Mozambique ( where the couples danced cheek to cheek - Bob Dylan ).
What happened to you?
I am being exploited and oppressed in a country where socialism and communism gave way to gangster capitalism, that is where the mafia ( Khosa Nostra ) is the government- South Africa.
That means exorbitant charges for telecommunications including connection to the internet; so I only come aboard after 7pm, when the bbc board is closed, 6pm.
I understand what you are telling me; but I believe in a wider meaning to "every eye shall see him", I actually believe it means all the people in the world, and not just tv.
I think that as the general barrier between the spiritual world and ours breaks at the last trumpet, we will again have a 3 facet world, material-body, emotions-soul, and spirit.
We will all see Jesus, all 6, 7 or 8 billion of us, weather Jesus will show himself bigger than the planet, or fly around the world on his white horse,( Mustang! is the car Jesus would ride! hahahaha ), I expect a supernatural manifestation, which by then would be the natural 3 dimensional expectation...
So I am living a few hundred years behind you...
I stopped studying history when I defected to the west in 1975, so I find a lot of historical documentaries very interesting; the history channel is of a higher level than the discovery or the national geographic, but it is now getting to the stage that I have seen most stuff.
My christian history goes back to the Cross and the Switchblade, by David Wilkinson; I saw his vision film but it was over 20 years ago, I should get hold of it again.
And I enjoyed other contemporary personal terstimonies, of Jim Vaus, I was in the electronic side of war too, Brother Andrew, I Dared to Call Him Father, I also have a book by an egiptian muslim who converted to christianity, would you like a copy?
God bless,
John Paul

Egyptian muslim to Christianity? Must be an interesting story, at the very least.

So, you're in South Africa--well--at least, not Zimbabwe. Those folks are in a world of hurt.

It's hot as blazes here today, that's howzit. So, I'm crabby. Howzit there? Wintertime, eh? I'll trade you.

: ) Emily

Ten dimensions -- Each dimension "overcomes" its predecessor.

1 a point
2 a line (overcomes a point)
3 a location (overcomes a line)
4 change in a location, over time
5 movement between chaos vs. order (changes overcome sequence)
6 imposition of a historical mobius strip of causes and effects (processes overcome stasis)
7 senses and thoughts of God (thoughts overcome process)
8 particularities of relationships (relationships overcome simple thoughts)
9 judgments about the applicability of dogma pressed onto dna-coded humans (judgments overcome relationships)
10 jump from incarnation-to-incarnation (ascendency overcomes experience)

There.