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MYSOGYNIST

Post 1

Snailrind

I've just been browsing a book of Alexander Pope's poetry. My lecturer at university described him as a mysogynistic grumpy old sod (or words to that effect); yet his poems show respect for most of his female acquaintances, and a general sense of fun. If he was reclusive, who can blame him, considering that women didn't fancy him, ever? Poor bloke had the mind of a genius and the body of a hunchbacked dwarf. Adolescence must have been hell.

He threw all his energy into his creativity. Not only was he a prolific and searingly funny poet, but he designed his own house and worked hard to make his gardens into a place of beauty where people could stroll and dream; but when a friend sent a letter to congratulate him on their completion, he wrote back to say that, without love, it all meant nothing:

Ah friend, 'tis true--this truth you lovers know--
In vain my structures rise, my gardens grow,
In vain fair Thames reflects the double scenes
Of hanging mountains, and of sloping greens:
Joy lives not here; to happier seats it flies,
And only dwells where Wortley casts her eyes.

What are the gay parterre, the chequer'd shade,
The morning bower, the ev'ning colonnade,
But soft recesses of uneasy minds,
To sigh unheard in, to the passing winds?

So the struck deer in some sequester'd part
Lies down to die, an arrow in his heart;
There, stretch'd unseen in coverts hid from day,
Bleeds drop by drop, and pants his life away.

Though he was starved of romance, Pope did have one beloved companion, and that was a dog called Bounce. She was being looked after by Lord Orrery when she died. Pope was gutted by the news. He wrote:

Ah Bounce! ah gentle Beast! why wouldst thou dye,
When thou had'st Meat enough, and Orrery?

They were the last lines he ever wrote. He died shortly afterwards.


MYSOGYNIST

Post 2

Snailrind

Buncha philistines.


MYSOGYNIST

Post 3

SEF

It's rather "grandfather's clock" - especially with the name of the lord involved.


MYSOGYNIST

Post 4

Blackberry Cat , if one wishes to remain an individual in the midst of the teeming multitudes, one must make oneself grotesque

never read any Pope
he did make a lecherous appearance in 'Fanny' by Erica Jong smiley - biggrin


MYSOGYNIST

Post 5

Snailrind

Well, you've read some now.smiley - smiley

Is 'Fanny' a book?

Is an Orrery a kind of clock?


MYSOGYNIST

Post 6

SEF

> "Is an Orrery a kind of clock?"

Yes, a special celestial one. It's particularly useful for imagining travelling in time and space (by fast winding it forwards or backwards and looking from a different direction).


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Post 7

Snailrind

Oh, yes! I saw one on an antiques programme: it had a windy handle to turn the planets and everything. It was nifty: a simple mechanism with a complex result. I considered trying to make one for Gothly's birthday, but then I forgot about it. Gothly got some fancy soap and a DVD of 2001 instead.


MYSOGYNIST

Post 8

Blackberry Cat , if one wishes to remain an individual in the midst of the teeming multitudes, one must make oneself grotesque

Fanny is a book
Pope is 1 of many to make attacks on the heroines virtue, never very secure in the first place smiley - winkeye


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Post 9

SEF

> "but then I forgot about it"

Well now that you've remembered you can make it for another one ... or just forget again. smiley - winkeye


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Post 10

Snailrind

Fanny: no connection with Fanny Hill? Poor Pope, I'm sure he doesn't deserve such slander!

I can't remember how the orrery was made now. Something to do with wooden discs in the base. I'll have to find some instructions or something. If I remember. And get round to it.


MYSOGYNIST

Post 11

Blackberry Cat , if one wishes to remain an individual in the midst of the teeming multitudes, one must make oneself grotesque

I think Erica Jong mean't her novel as a pastiche of that style of novel


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Post 12

Snailrind

I've tried several times to read Fanny Hill. It's supposed to be humorously titillating, but it's actually mind-numbingly boring. Even I can write sexier stuff than that. My brother once had an illustrated version, but even that wasn't worth paying actual money for.

Sounds like Erica Jong has at least managed to be entertaining.smiley - biggrin


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Post 13

Snailrind

I just noticed my typo.


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Post 14

Blackberry Cat , if one wishes to remain an individual in the midst of the teeming multitudes, one must make oneself grotesque

Quite like Erica Jong
Can't remember what her 'famous' book was now
I often find pastiches better than the original smiley - erm
Read a couple of excellent novels by Charles Palliser written in a sort of Wilkie Collins style
Inspired me to read his classic, 'The Moonstone'
Yedious in the extreme smiley - erm


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Post 15

Blackberry Cat , if one wishes to remain an individual in the midst of the teeming multitudes, one must make oneself grotesque

Tedious even


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Post 16

Snailrind

She wrote Fear of Flying, didn't she?


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Post 17

Blackberry Cat , if one wishes to remain an individual in the midst of the teeming multitudes, one must make oneself grotesque

yes smiley - ok
good book too smiley - smiley


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Post 18

Snailrind

While we're on the subject of boring books, Middlemarch made me want to chew my own leg off. George Eliot famously said that she'd written it straight off, without making any alterations whatsoever--and I tell you what, it looks like it. What a pile of unutterably boring, monotonous drivel. How anyone can say they published their first draft like that's a *good* thing, I do not know.


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Post 19

Sea Change

I forgot to ask you earlier. If you are looking through abstruse sources of things natural-philosophical, trying to find parts or plans for orrerries; you might also stumble across some for Archimidean solids. Let me know if you do because it would amuse Peirigill if I made or got him some for birthday or xmas or something.

smiley - popcorn

Sloggging my way through Marvyn Peake. There might be a fire in about 75 pages or so!


Orrery

Post 20

SEF

Archimedean solids are easy. My website has information on that, including diagrams of how to get them from pattern grids (the software for which is also provided on site). I made the Platonic set as soft toys for a couple of babies - one of whom shows distinctly mathematical tendencies (though I suspect that's more the result of genetics than merely early learning).


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