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I see nothing hypocritical in criticising your arguing on anhaga's space, when I had already been criticising it to your face in the other thread.

Thing is, what I was doing, and what I think anhaga was doing, is trying to get you to explore your arguments a bit more. You don't have to come to the same conclusion as us, indeed I doubt if anhaga and I agree on this subject overly. But what you were espousing was a slight variation on a fairly common lightweight belief. You have clearly taken some steps to customising this to what makes sense for you. Fine if that works for you, but I think there are rewards in thinking things through a bit deeper.

It's just that there are several holes, to my mind, in what you were saying. Which is fine if you are happy with that, and I guess I get a bit too evangelical about thinking things through and taking nothing on spec.

Sometimes I try to provoke people into thinking deeper about these things. And sometimes you get surprising insights from people. So when I press someone on their 'angle' it's more to see what's behind it, why they think what they think. Because the reasons can often shed more light than the beliefs.

But I do know some people find this unwanted!

Nothing hypocritcal going to another persons space and opening up a journal and havinga joke at my ideas. Is not being hypocrite
I do agree my arguments does have a few holes in them but my idea is not a complete stupid hypothesis.
And you provoke people into thinking deeper?? oh beg your pardon sir didnt know you were the expert.
I do not know what precisely takes place when one is dieing as ive never been in the situation yet i have the belief not everything stops

"Nothing hypocritcal going to another persons space and opening up a journal and havinga joke at my ideas. Is not being hypocrite "
Not when I say the same to your face, no.
If I was pretending to be your friend elsewhere, then it would certainly have been two faced. But I don't think there is any danger of that happening, from either side. Hypocrite, btw, is doing one thing and saying another. Or, more specifically, someone putting on false pretenses.
I should make it clear at this point that I am well aware that you could well be reading that thread. I myself am an unrepentant lurker of personal spaces. So I certainly wasn't trying to do something 'behind your back'.

"And you provoke people into thinking deeper?? oh beg your pardon sir didnt know you were the expert."

No, I *try* to. Doesn't mean I always get the approach right, or that everyone is interested. It appears in this case that I got the approach wrong and that you aren't particularly into debating the idea, just stating it.

As for experts, there are philosophy professors, and ordinary members of the public, who have spent over half a century of their lives debating these ideas, and they still don't have the answer. But if you compare our ideas to theirs, it's like comparing a playshool story with a degree in english essay. we can all do with thinking deeper and better. After all, what is more likely to affect us than our own deaths? I want an answer about death, not a wooly sorta maybe.

I guess therein lies my downfall. I tend to get overly involved and a bit less likely to accept all comers on their own terms. To that end, I apologise for the way that thread obviously appeared to you.
I do, however, stand by my opinion so far of your ideas on this, which is that they are somewhat basic and not fully thought through.

What this boils down to is this:
I knew there was a fair chance you'd read it.
I meant it to poke fun at them, yes, but I think you already knew my ideas on your thoughts. And the aim of provoking fun was a) to have a bit of light relief and b) if you saw it to see if it spurred you on to further elucidate you ideas.
I firmly believe that no one person, or class of persons, has a monopoly on truth. YOu could well have the answers I am looking for, so when you back off and exit the debate, I am denied any possible insights you may have. Hence I react by trying to get you back in.

Kinda backfired a bit though. So, my apologies for the offence caused. And I would be quite happy to discuss your ideas on these things should you wish to.
But you do seem to be overly defensive of them, and my questioning is likely to demand answers to a fairly detailed level, so given our differences this may not be a good idea.

Ive always said in my posts im given an opinion and sometimes ive said im probably wrong .But im just getting involved in the debate thats all.
Yes i do lurk at peoples spaces,whos doesnt though.
anyway thanks for explaining yourself.

that's OK, and I think I have a better idea of where you are coming from now.
And I know my posts do get misconstrued, I think I often manage to say something that could be interpretted different ways without me realising it. Should use more smilies I guess!

I know i can usually tell when ppl are being deliberately annoyhing .And i dont believe you were .chat sometime in another thread.

and indeed we did.

First things first, you have no idea of where I stand with regard to christianity. Which isn't to say you can't make comments of course, but be prepared to be totally wrong.

Secondly, it was a humourous comment for gawds sake. How could you have possibly missed that unless intentional? Admittedly, pretty poor humour, but then that's hardly a crime on hootoo.

What the hell is hypocritical about my post? Absolutely nothing, yet again showing you don't know what you are talking about.

Are you yet another person who doesn't get humour?

I couldnt careless what you said,but your bellittling peoples beliefs.correrct me if im wrong your comment went something like jesus went down to mackys to feed the 5000.
You no doubt wouldnt like it if one of the preachers told you your gonna burn in hell if you dont repent your sins.

OK, you're seeing insults where there are none.

As for my feelings about the preaching of christian, again you are making assumptions about my beliefs and motivation. Wrong ones as it happens. My actual feeling about such preaching is that is probably wrong. But it might be right. I'm still trying to find out.

Whos to know what took places 2000 years ago as we werent around.I cant say either way so i just except ppl's beliefs aslong as they dont bother me who cares.OH and i do have a sense of humour but i wouldnt make a joke out of someones religion.

>Whos to know what took places 2000 years ago as we werent around.
agreed
>I cant say either way so i just except ppl's beliefs aslong as they dont bother me who cares.
I care about other peoples beliefs. They have a very potent effect on our society. But in the singular, I care because it might be sometyhing I hadn't considered.

>OH and i do have a sense of humour but i wouldnt make a joke out of someones religion.
Good! Me too.
I will make jokes about religion and the stories and the organisations around religion. Because I think that any belief that has been around for 200yrs + (including the OT) should be able to stand up for itself and be internally consistant. Especially a belief system that is evangelical.

I meant to say, this may help you when reading my posts. It may not, of course, but I hope it will.

I do not, categorically, believe I have the answers. What I have is a lot of questions, and I ask them. The problem is, a lot of the questions I ask are the same as those asked by people who wish to denigrate a particular pov. Just take it as read that my qestions are enquiring and not setting logic traps. Of course I concentrate on the areas where there is a bit of doubt, or things don;t add up. Usually because that is exactly where I have got to in my thinking and can't get past.

If Jesus was all powerfull he would be able to feed the masses from bread and fish etc
and whos to say Jesus didnt exist,i cant say it thats for sure,

They say theres no smoke without fire.who ever writ the great religions must have believed in what they were writing down.


bye for now

Jesus as a historical character? Yep, I'm fairly willing to believe that he did exist. What he was, be it prophet or avatar, I cannot say. I'd like to find out (before I'm dead that is!).

And I also agree that those who instigated the oral tradition that led to the bible probably did believe in what they were doing. The question is, and it is similarly unlikely to be answered anytime soon, what exactly did they think they were doing? We have no record of the motivation or state of mind. We don't even really know who started it all.

Yes very true the problem with religion its done alot for people in history,then again its caused nearly evevry war since

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Yes, I am lurking other peoples' spaces too (as BB says, who doesn't?)

I just want to say, that the records that have come down to us from 2000 years ago, are a lot more reliable than many people think they are...