A Conversation for Part One - DREAMS AND NIGHTMARES IN A GREAT AGE OF HISTORY
Dreams and nightmares in a great age of history
sunshineandshowers Started conversation Jan 29, 2011
A fascinating study and interesting read.
History has so many flaws, and none are so flawed as man himself.
There is so much to answer, but all (my) answers are purely my opinion/view on life's experiences and that which l have perceived of the 'human condition'.
It is this condition that makes history, because all the 'pieces' make up the larger part, which we call history further along the line to the present day.
Ruskins experiences and his friendship with Carlyle reads to me as a sort of emotive hope and promise and hope into one's country rather than the individuals who are the inhabitants of any country.
How can the 'masses' ever achieve progress? l do not believe that is possible. The 'masses' after all are the least powerful and the poorest compared to the, want of a better expression 'the upper classes'. Although l realised at quite a young age that 'class' has little to do with wealth, and everything to do with what makes a person tick as we say.
The Scriptures say, 'the poor will always be with you' and that is what is meant the term of the masses.
It is the 'masses' that lose or win wars war also brings great wealth to others.
Another mention is life being a fight for the survival of the fittest.
That also has to include the power that the strong holds over the weak of society in any period of history up to the present day.
Those who see themselves as the weak in society now have added strengths in their view of themselves, with suicide bombers, political leaders who are corrupt to the enth degree and cause misery and starvation, whilst becoming immensly rich and powerful still.
The masses are, if playing a game of chess, the pawns.....the rest bishops and queens.
History has never changed up until now, where we see daily changes all around the world that have never been experienced before.
There is chaos and uncertainty around the world, and just as when Nero fiddled whilst Rome burned...... I regret not being able to give your work the 'academic' reply that you might find easier to understand , but l can only come to any conclusion of history in that history is being made today for an historian to make from it a somewhat personal view, often without knowing of God and the commandments that make for a better world.
Dreams and nightmares in a great age of history
CASSEROLEON Posted Feb 28, 2011
sunshine and showers
It follows from what I wrote on the other thread that I do not see the common people of England as the helpless masses. I explain this later on in "TP" but the evidence, even such obvious things as the Peasants Revolt of 1381 show that the English people had a very real consciousness of their rights, and of the rights that were guaranteed to them and restated in Magna Carta. The system of Parliamentary representation of counties and boroughs along with things like the Jury system were all part of a wider tradition of democracy and active participation in all aspects of communal life than our present very sterile form of Parliamentary Party Politics largely representing the views of an educated elite, and a whole Non-social way of interdepenant living based upon creating and distributing money- by-passing all meaningful human relationships.
In fact what seems to be almost universal is that the common people create the wealth they can in order to offer it up in the hope of getting access to sources of power and support which are beyond them. [You many know the French short-story entitled "Our Lady's Juggler"] This phenomenom is most obvious in the offerings and dwellings that represent huge investment from the Common People in the hope of collectively creating a positive relationship with God or their gods. Religious buidings around the world are some of humanind's greatest acheievements.
So Marx therefore got it wrong. People collectively amass wealth in order to exploit others in the hope of improving their own situation. Perhaps some of them know that "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven", because there is no point in gaining the whole world and losing your soul, as so many people desperate for fame and celebrity seem to be only too happy to do in order to "entertain" what really often are "vulgar masses".
Cass
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