A Conversation for Laws of Improbability and Chaos Theory

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Post 1

Boo!!

if the only law of chaos is that there are no laws of chaos then that law connot exist
therefore there is nothing that states that chaos cannot have laws
therefore there must be a law that there are no laws of chaos
vicious circle or what

i first worked this out with the infinite probability thing
if something is infinitely improbable then it is quite likely that that will happen with the infinite improbability machine this makes it probable but if it is probable then no one will be expecting it to happen which i think in a way makes it improbable again and so on

if you didn't understand a,think about it for a bit
b,ask me
c,ask a_random_person about it
my advice is to not think about it too hard though it will confuse you and make your head hurtsmiley - erm


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Post 2

a_random_person

you really didn't explain that very well did you?
My head hurts and I helped you think of that vicious circle.smiley - erm
Anyway, calm down about vicious circles and have a smiley - tea and some smiley - choc
see u
A Random Personsmiley - ok


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Post 3

Boo!!

smiley - choc=good

my head was hurting too

smiley - cake+smiley - choc+smiley - choc=even better


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Post 4

a_random_person

anyway what does infinite improbability have to do with chaos laws.
or for that matter smiley - cake & smiley - choc.
wait it was me that brought that up in the first place wasn't it.
i think i'll go now before i say something more stupid


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Post 5

Boo!!

u do that
i was thinking about the chaos theory and then i realised that the same theory applied to infinite improbability it probably applies to infinite probability too but i can't b bothered to work that 1 outsmiley - cakesmiley - choc 2 u 2


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Post 6

a_random_person

what exactly are the laws of chaos?


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Post 7

Boo!!

how the hell am i supposed to know


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Post 8

The Mayan Templar

butterfly effect says small change = big impact but noone can work which particular small change will have the wanted big impactsmiley - wah

but fractals are prettysmiley - magic

Mayan Templarsmiley - ufo


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Post 9

Boo!!

im sorry i know that definitely was a variant of english but which one was it (i got the butterfly effect but what does fractals have to do with any thing i don't even know what they are)well i probably do but id have to think for bit and my brain is a bit overloaded.


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Post 10

The Mayan Templar

a-polly-gollies smiley - wah

butterfly effect was from jurassic park i think smiley - erm a butterfly flaps its wings and causes a draught that builds into a gale smiley - run

some fractals are like colour-coded maps of where the butterfly flapped and how bad a gale smiley - bubbly

anyway if chaos has no laws, how can you arrest the butterfly? smiley - laugh

more smiley - cake / smiley - choc ?

mayan templar smiley - ufo


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Post 11

Boo!!

please more smiley - cake/smiley - choc


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Post 12

The Mayan Templar

would you like some smiley - tea with your smiley - cake / smiley - choc ?

you know if something was infinitely improbable

!P(x) --> infinity smiley - winkeye

then the probability of the same something smiley - erm must approach zero

P(x) --> 0 smiley - cool

that is it is very small and probably lost under the tv cabinet smiley - magic

the laws of chaos says sometimes it wont be smiley - ufosmiley - cheers


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Post 13

Boo!!

yes i would like some smiley - tea with mysmiley - cake andsmiley - chocas long as itssmiley - tea not smiley - coffee and im still struggling but i think im getting there

if smiley - sadface is infinitely improbable then the probability of smiley - sadface is essentially 0 but sometimes the chaos laws say that it won't be

drat no smiley

okay so thats another way of saying nothing can be impossible because if that is true then the only thing that is impossible is for something to be impossible and sometimes the laws of chaos say that it won't be impossible for anything to be impossible which makes that possible and therefore it is impossible for anything to be impossible

it also makes me a liar because if i say nothing is impossible then that is sometimes not true

collapses in a heap exhausted after all that thinking, eats smiley - choc secretly and thanks everything except any gods that might be listening in that i haven't been caught by my IT teacher as i am curently in that lesson


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Post 14

The Mayan Templar

try this on…

if something were to happen only once ever in our universe which was infinite the last time i checked then…smiley - evilgrin

on average it happened once in infinity which is zero so it never happened smiley - cheers

what were we talking about smiley - ufo

i'll have smiley - coffee


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Post 15

Boo!!

wow something i understood with out the smiley - choc but yeah good point it follows on that nothing happens exactly the same ever so everything happens only once and so actually never happens if you follow that theory and so nothing happens ,and no-one exists

tee hee im not real dances off down the street singing and i no im in IT but if nothing exists then anything can exist and so i say there is a street there to go dance down

oh don't get me started on the only thing i no is that i exist business i go on about that all day


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Post 16

The Mayan Templar

yeah i hate that this sort of justifies the "life is an illusion" nutcases (sorry if you are one of these smiley - blush)

as far as i can see, improbability is the result of things being chaoticsmiley - cool

if something is improbable like anything at all happening in an infinite universe then chaos sticks its perverse nose in and makes it happen anyway smiley - ok


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Post 17

Boo!!

Yeah annoying huh

by the way i follow that nutcase theory and understand it and axcept it could be true but i think people take it too far
ok i could be locked up in a mental asylum somewhere and be imagining this but then i think oh well if that is the case then there doesn't seem to be much i can do about it and lets get on with life

and anyway why the hell would i invent something like RE lessons with the most 'im not trying to convert you to christianity even though i am' teacher who bugs me to hell

Sorry just had a RE lesson and i don't have anything against Christians or anything like that i just don't like people trying to make other people believe in gods.

sorry must stop ranting and post


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Post 18

The Mayan Templar

my theory is that is that everything works and fits neatly with everything else and im not clever enough to had invented/imagined some of the really good stuff like smiley - choc

im with you on religion...i think a lot of people use God as an excuse or a crutch "if things get bad and i pray then God will fix it or its His will not to" meantime things go to hell in a handbasket smiley - ermsmiley - tongueout

isnt ranting fun though? smiley - biggrinsmiley - cool


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Post 19

Boo!!

yep thats my other theory well nicked theory is that everything that has to happen will happen what is in question is the order it happens in

so all the big things that have to happen happen but the little things like who or when or why or what happened to their mum doesn't have to happen

like instead of something happening now that will cause a continent to disappear it could happen in 100 years and we'll have worked out a way to cope or 100 years ago and we never knew about.

im a big believer in choice at least little choices


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Post 20

The Mayan Templar

hey you stole my theory smiley - wah

i watched a documentry on twins where some of the twins separated at birth had the same illnesses down to stupid stuff like pimples and boils in similar places smiley - erm and their life had a lot of parallels like when they married and changed jobs and had serious accidents smiley - weird made me wonder just how much is "prewired" by our genes smiley - sadface

then civilisation and society have like this lumbering momentum and it takes a ground swell to effect change so all we can do is try to make our little bits nice smiley - smiley little choices smiley - cool

i hope that if i make where i am nice smiley - smiley and others are doing the same it will spread like a virulent disease smiley - evilgrin

someone explained it to me...its like a ratchet smiley - smiley every improvement ratchets the world that little bit more in the positive direction

whew! need some smiley - coffee and smiley - cake


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