A Conversation for Laws of Improbability and Chaos Theory
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Boo!! Started conversation May 26, 2004
if the only law of chaos is that there are no laws of chaos then that law connot exist
therefore there is nothing that states that chaos cannot have laws
therefore there must be a law that there are no laws of chaos
vicious circle or what
i first worked this out with the infinite probability thing
if something is infinitely improbable then it is quite likely that that will happen with the infinite improbability machine this makes it probable but if it is probable then no one will be expecting it to happen which i think in a way makes it improbable again and so on
if you didn't understand a,think about it for a bit
b,ask me
c,ask a_random_person about it
my advice is to not think about it too hard though it will confuse you and make your head hurt
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a_random_person Posted May 26, 2004
you really didn't explain that very well did you?
My head hurts and I helped you think of that vicious circle.
Anyway, calm down about vicious circles and have a and some
see u
A Random Person
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a_random_person Posted Jun 16, 2004
anyway what does infinite improbability have to do with chaos laws.
or for that matter & .
wait it was me that brought that up in the first place wasn't it.
i think i'll go now before i say something more stupid
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Boo!! Posted Jun 23, 2004
u do that
i was thinking about the chaos theory and then i realised that the same theory applied to infinite improbability it probably applies to infinite probability too but i can't b bothered to work that 1 out 2 u 2
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The Mayan Templar Posted Aug 12, 2004
butterfly effect says small change = big impact but noone can work which particular small change will have the wanted big impact
but fractals are pretty
Mayan Templar
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Boo!! Posted Aug 29, 2004
im sorry i know that definitely was a variant of english but which one was it (i got the butterfly effect but what does fractals have to do with any thing i don't even know what they are)well i probably do but id have to think for bit and my brain is a bit overloaded.
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The Mayan Templar Posted Aug 31, 2004
a-polly-gollies
butterfly effect was from jurassic park i think a butterfly flaps its wings and causes a draught that builds into a gale
some fractals are like colour-coded maps of where the butterfly flapped and how bad a gale
anyway if chaos has no laws, how can you arrest the butterfly?
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mayan templar
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The Mayan Templar Posted Sep 8, 2004
would you like some with your / ?
you know if something was infinitely improbable
!P(x) --> infinity
then the probability of the same something must approach zero
P(x) --> 0
that is it is very small and probably lost under the tv cabinet
the laws of chaos says sometimes it wont be
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Boo!! Posted Sep 13, 2004
yes i would like some with my andas long as its not and im still struggling but i think im getting there
if is infinitely improbable then the probability of is essentially 0 but sometimes the chaos laws say that it won't be
drat no smiley
okay so thats another way of saying nothing can be impossible because if that is true then the only thing that is impossible is for something to be impossible and sometimes the laws of chaos say that it won't be impossible for anything to be impossible which makes that possible and therefore it is impossible for anything to be impossible
it also makes me a liar because if i say nothing is impossible then that is sometimes not true
collapses in a heap exhausted after all that thinking, eats secretly and thanks everything except any gods that might be listening in that i haven't been caught by my IT teacher as i am curently in that lesson
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The Mayan Templar Posted Sep 13, 2004
try this on…
if something were to happen only once ever in our universe which was infinite the last time i checked then…
on average it happened once in infinity which is zero so it never happened
what were we talking about
i'll have
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Boo!! Posted Sep 20, 2004
wow something i understood with out the but yeah good point it follows on that nothing happens exactly the same ever so everything happens only once and so actually never happens if you follow that theory and so nothing happens ,and no-one exists
tee hee im not real dances off down the street singing and i no im in IT but if nothing exists then anything can exist and so i say there is a street there to go dance down
oh don't get me started on the only thing i no is that i exist business i go on about that all day
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The Mayan Templar Posted Sep 26, 2004
yeah i hate that this sort of justifies the "life is an illusion" nutcases (sorry if you are one of these )
as far as i can see, improbability is the result of things being chaotic
if something is improbable like anything at all happening in an infinite universe then chaos sticks its perverse nose in and makes it happen anyway
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Boo!! Posted Sep 27, 2004
Yeah annoying huh
by the way i follow that nutcase theory and understand it and axcept it could be true but i think people take it too far
ok i could be locked up in a mental asylum somewhere and be imagining this but then i think oh well if that is the case then there doesn't seem to be much i can do about it and lets get on with life
and anyway why the hell would i invent something like RE lessons with the most 'im not trying to convert you to christianity even though i am' teacher who bugs me to hell
Sorry just had a RE lesson and i don't have anything against Christians or anything like that i just don't like people trying to make other people believe in gods.
sorry must stop ranting and post
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The Mayan Templar Posted Sep 28, 2004
my theory is that is that everything works and fits neatly with everything else and im not clever enough to had invented/imagined some of the really good stuff like
im with you on religion...i think a lot of people use God as an excuse or a crutch "if things get bad and i pray then God will fix it or its His will not to" meantime things go to hell in a handbasket
isnt ranting fun though?
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Boo!! Posted Sep 29, 2004
yep thats my other theory well nicked theory is that everything that has to happen will happen what is in question is the order it happens in
so all the big things that have to happen happen but the little things like who or when or why or what happened to their mum doesn't have to happen
like instead of something happening now that will cause a continent to disappear it could happen in 100 years and we'll have worked out a way to cope or 100 years ago and we never knew about.
im a big believer in choice at least little choices
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The Mayan Templar Posted Sep 29, 2004
hey you stole my theory
i watched a documentry on twins where some of the twins separated at birth had the same illnesses down to stupid stuff like pimples and boils in similar places and their life had a lot of parallels like when they married and changed jobs and had serious accidents made me wonder just how much is "prewired" by our genes
then civilisation and society have like this lumbering momentum and it takes a ground swell to effect change so all we can do is try to make our little bits nice little choices
i hope that if i make where i am nice and others are doing the same it will spread like a virulent disease
someone explained it to me...its like a ratchet every improvement ratchets the world that little bit more in the positive direction
whew! need some and
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