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I knew that you were mad at toxx-but I thought that if it was just an impulse thing, you would have taken it back in a few hours. I guess I was wrong and I apologize.

If you agree that banning toxx was a mistake, I certainly see no reason to ban him. I took what you said at its face value without considering your emotions. I am sorry.

I didn't think that banning toxx constituted making an "elitist" thread, althout Math is probably right that it does.

Jane, I'm sorry if I misinterpreted and misrepresented your views. I didn't realize how strongly angry you were at him at the time. I have failed, and failure is forbidden.

Hi Jane .

It occurs to me that if you have no objection to Toxxin coming here, under the standard h2g2 rules (which do include very specific rules about flaming and trolling), then what is the real point of having a separate God thread?

All that has been said here could have been expressed on the God thread and made it all the more interesting, including a general call for calm and excellence to one another.

My apologies for not being around for ten days, or I would have had a few words to say to those causing unpleasantness on the God thread in my normal role of 'uncomfortable conscience'.

Recalling the days of JtP's incursion into the God thread I remember that quite a few people ended up simply ignoring his rants and left it to those with the energy to oppose his arguments to do so. If a member of any thread offends thee, don't talk to them - simple. However, it is often far more effective to face them with reason and compassion. Then they either give up or calm down and become useful members of the thread.

I would suggest that now we have established this we decamp back to the original God thread and re-engage with our comrades.

Blessings,
Matholwch /|\.

See you there.

Has anyone considered that this thread is hurtful?

I was the second contributer to the original thread and I have tried to keep it up, but so many of my postings are ignored, it has become impossible.

Finding this is like a second slap in the face. It has been made clear that I am not welcome in the first thread, cause only people who post there very frequently are welcome and now this second 'secret' thread.

hi Kaz,

No, I don't think this thread is particularly hurtful, if they revise the 'banning' thing, which I think they are prepared to do.

I reckon it was a bit of a knee-jerk response to another thread where some people also didn't feel welcome, so they decided to start another one.

If anything, it was a slap in the face to only one person, and I have previously posted that I do not think this is fair or right.

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Well, that has always been a bit of a problem with the first thread. That the people there are often not good at welcoming others or even paying attention to others. If anything that other thread has become quite elitist without anybody ever saying so. And so it ends up being almost a private conversation carried on between about 5 or 6 people. Snore!

I think we should wait and see what happens with this thread. It could turn out to be interesting.

az

Cool, as for see what happens with this thread, as an uninvited, I shall be unsubscribing again, so I won't know.

Frankly, Math, you're right.

Kaz--we did not intentionally mean to exclude you--we just picked the people who were easiest to find. The secrecy was only intended to be temporary--we wanted a hundred or so posts to be examples of polite posting, and for that purpose, it made sence to pick more prolific people--it would allow us to make the thread public sooner. I apologize that we excluded and offended you.

Az--I intend to try to keep this thread alive, if only because I think it makes sence to have two God threads. THe first one goees through cycles and often it becomes boring (at least for some people) If you have two threads, one is bound to be interesting at any time. Also, the God thread is too fast-paced for me. I have too much homework to read a hundred posts of backlog every day.

OK Hari,

I think I have the message, you are sorry right?

No I am not impulsive, I am simply very emotional about certain subjects, especially things that I consider unjust which involves humans and animals who are unable to defend themselves.

Math is right because being selective about who is, or is not allowed to be part of a "club" does make it "elitist".

Math, the thread was not my idea, it was Primists, somehow I have been caught up in something which may have been sparked off because of my anger at some of Toxin,s comments on a different thread, we wandered off from the original subject onto something which touches a very raw nerve in me, hence my emotional reaction.

I like to exchange ideas with people, it doesn,t matter to me if anyone really agrees with me or not, so long as a mutual respect is maintained and a polite and educated manner remains in the discussion.

Kaz, please do not take it personally when people do not seem to respond, I experience that a lot, on H2G2 and in my REAL life!!! anyone with a husband and kids can relate to that!! men and kids NEVER listen!! Az has often pointed this out to people on some of the threads, that a basic standard of politeness is necessary to those who also wish to make a valid point and are ignored, the original God thread did become like a personal conversation between a few people, making that quite "elitist" too, no-one else got a look in, but thanks to people like Az and the wise words of Math, we all have a chance to put our views forward, so don,t be put off, just keep on posting, I was put off at first because I am not, nor claim to be, an "intellectual" thinker like many, but who cares really, I have my thoughts on subjects, far too emotional for some tastes, but I am who I am, those who choose to respond, do, those who do not wish to just ignore me, and that is just fine by me

So, let,s all make a decision here, are we all going off down the pub, or returning to the God thread Numero uno, or are we just going to sit it out here in hilo de Dios numero dos??? or shall we just invite Toxx to join and all disappear leaving him here on his own??? (wicked girl that I am, and a Christian too!!!)

Hari, I forgive you

Love

Jane

"No I am not impulsive, I am simply very emotional about certain subjects, especially things that I consider unjust which involves humans and animals who are unable to defend themselves."

I'm sorry. I may be misusing the word impulse, but I would call and emotional reaction which you later look back on as wrong an impulse (you are saying that it was emotional, and that you no longer think it would be right to ban toxxin, aren't you?). But let's not get into an arguement over it.

"So, let,s all make a decision here, are we all going off down the pub, or returning to the God thread Numero uno, or are we just going to sit it out here in hilo de Dios numero dos??? or shall we just invite Toxx to join and all disappear leaving him here on his own??? (wicked girl that I am, and a Christian too!!!)"

My view is that we should try to stay here, but go back to the God thread as well. Someone should post a notification of this thread on the God thread so that everyone can see it. I think this thread could be interesting and worth persureing as a slower-paced version of the God thread.

hello Hari



Nope, I don,t look back on my emotional reaction as wrong, and it was not impulsive, I voiced an opinion, I do not remember actually saying anyone at all should be banned, therefore have not changed my mind on the banning issue, because that decision was taken by another, we could very easily enter into argument on this subject because you seem to choose to misinterpret my meaning.

Now I will make quite clear my opinion, anyone who chooses to post on this thread should have a right to do so, I only ask that basic respect, politeness and good manners are shown to all.

Jane

"do not remember actually saying anyone at all should be banned, therefore have not changed my mind on the banning issue"

Remember this? I had sugested a new god thread in my previous post.:



"we could very easily enter into argument on this subject because you seem to choose to misinterpret my meaning."

I did not "choose" to misinterpret your meaning--it was an honest mistake. However, to avoid an arguement on the subject, I (and R. Daneel and Eto) are not going to say anby more on this subject. We'll just let it drop, regaurdless of how you respond to this. An arguement on this subject would be pointless.

1+2=3
1+2+3+5=11
1+2+3+5+7+11=29
1+2+3+5+7+11+13+17=59
1+2+3+5+7+11+13+17+19+23=101

Well, I certainly see no problem with having another thread on God happening. I continue to read two of them and find that there are a different set of individuals on both, with some over-lapping.

These two threads - God-fact or fiction and FFFF - get into various arguments which are not the same on either thread. And, as I say, there are often different people involved on each thread, which offers a different viewpoint.

I say go for it. Since the people who come across this thread may not be the same ones who are on the other two. Another opinion, other thoughts and ideas are always welcome, I think.

az

Aha Hari

Now you really have got me there,that may have been a teensy weensy bit impulsive on my part when I said please ban Toxin, but I would only have said that if the idea had already been suggested

Anyway just to make it plain, in my opinion Toxxin should not be banned, only totally ignored when he says something offensive, OK ??

Lets go for it then A God alternative thread.

Jane

ps Hari, I would appreciate it if you would please not quote my comments to primist in the future.

"Anyway just to make it plain, in my opinion Toxxin should not be banned, only totally ignored when he says something offensive, OK ??"

I agree, as does Agnostic Primist, and I pretty sure Fnord agrees, too.

"Lets go for it then A God alternative thread."

OK

"ps Hari, I would appreciate it if you would please not quote my comments to primist in the future."

I won't post them. I admit it was a bit impulsive of me, and a little cruel. Although, actually, anyone on this thread could have found it anyway, since me, or more likely, one of Susan's lot, had already linked the first 40 postings of the the thread it was on to this thread.

However, that's beyond the point, I won't quote anyting you've said to Primist up to now. Unless you say otherwise, I'll assume that I can post any comment you make to him in the future (if he returns, something I am trying to get him to do) in the context of a reply to your post on the same thread. I won't post in on another thread, though.

Still with the let's have an alternative god thread?

I'm sorry but I simply do not have the time to devote to the present one, and the FFFF, so I shall politely bow out of here.

Blessings,
Matholwch /|\.

Well, this idea went down faster than two saints on wine. Why was I invited to the making of this in the first place? I wasn't one of the original toxx-haters or anything, and I hardly posted sporadically (or even coherently). Now I find myself labelled as one of "them" who made this thread, despite the fact that I continually registered my unease with anyone being banned.