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Alfredo Started conversation Jan 24, 2007
Many have told us, but we tried to keep it on a distance, because we didn't like that kind of people, or did not want to face the results for private life.
Not in my twenties, but after my first "crisis" in 1984 I always hung somewhere in between, with the great excuse that "alfredo" is far more urgent enough to take care for than all the other threats. In itself it was no nonsense.
January 2007;
Suddenly húge ice mountains are drifting, Al Gore gets real success with his movie all around the USA, New Zealand and the U.K. are having a fight about who will suddenly "repair" a wooden house of a polar mission in the past before it falls in parts by the warmth, and the first country will disappear in 50 years; Tuvalu.
Sounds strange, but it also feels a bit like a new dawn to me. Maybe it won't last more than a month, but now, this January the world community is suddenly in tune with its habitat; planet earth, always the same suddenly changes ... yes yes.
Real change in our human behaviour always comes mainly by the pressure of a real threat, when even money doesn't help. We need it too, so mankind/I will always turn when we/I should have 20 years ago.
Well I did for many years, as one of the first and 15 years of activism are not a waste of time. Finally I boosted against my own limits, well I hope all others will also change for 15 years. Lot more than we do now.
Anyhow, suddenly the world feels very small. Images seen for ages and ages, suddenly crumble, like glaciers. Not everything is a drama, but the changes do have a dramatic effect on our emotions, well mine, so to speak.
The word "climate" was invented to point out "stability" in the weather. Suddenly it changes within a decade.Well, Canada, Greenland and Russia are the new spots for mankind.My children will júst escape the real fuss, but theír children; they are stuck.
Amsterdam.
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anhaga Posted Jan 24, 2007
(from Canada) I'm not counting on my children escaping the fuss, Alfredo. I'm not counting on escaping the fuss myself.
There has already been an inhabited island (pop. 10,000) disappear beneath the waves in India, and an uninhabited island in Vanuatu disappeared a while ago.
Here in the continental interior of Canada, winter has become a silly cold-snap (punctuated by an obscene and lethal blizzard or two).
The fuss is here. The forced migration will not be far behind, I fear.(erm>
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six7s Posted Jan 24, 2007
(from NZ - as is Edmund Hilary)
<< New Zealand and the U.K. are having a fight about who will suddenly "repair" a wooden house of a polar mission in the past before it falls in parts by the warmth>>
Not quite 'warmth' - but definitely 'weather'...
http://www.stuff.co.nz/northland/3935442a10.html
Hillary slates Brits over historic huts
By JOHN HENZELL - The Press | Monday, 22 January 2007
Hillary made a nostalgic visit yesterday back to the hut built by Sir Ernest Shackleton...
...he slated Britain for failing to aid efforts to prevent the huts succumbing to the harsh Antarctic weather, despite requests from New Zealanders to give them a hand.
...
He and Prime Minister Helen Clark had the chance to visit the small New Zealand-led team which has spent the summer working to save Shackleton's hut at Cape Royds from succumbing to the weather.
The team has endured temperatures of minus 40deg
Thats minus 40 degreess CELCIUS - and this is our summer...
Anhaga, which islands?
<< The fuss is here. >>
Maybe...
The misinformation and scaremongering is here.
Definitley
http://www.cei.org/pages/ait_response-book.cfm
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anhaga Posted Jan 24, 2007
I don't know if you follow Fox News (I do, for the laughs) but they have hardly got a history of believing in the idea of Global Climate Change.
And yet:
'Remote Lohachara Island was in the Indian part of the Sundarbans , a vast mangrove delta where the Ganges empties into the Bay of Bengal on the Indian-Bangladeshi border.
Rising sea levels have swallowed the island whole, according to the report. It was once home to 10,000 people. . .
The disappearance of Lohachara Island comes eight years after uninhabited islands in the Pacific were overtaken. As a result of their going under, the people of low-lying islands in Vanuatu, also in the Pacific, have been evacuated.'
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,238634,00.html
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anhaga Posted Jan 24, 2007
and, for interest sake:
http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2006/10/2E4E2D37-044C-4051-895D-1443B317B739.html
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six7s Posted Jan 24, 2007
I have seen F*x N*ws...
I have also consulted Google Scholar, which turned up
http://www.springerlink.com/content/u80t675421l38048/
Journal Environmental Geology
Publisher Springer Berlin / Heidelberg
ISSN 0943-0105 (Print) 1432-0495 (Online)
Subject Earth and Environmental Science
Issue Volume 48, Number 8 / October, 2005
The island has been subjected to erosion by natural processes and to a little extent by anthropogenic activities over a long period.
Major landforms identified in the coastal area of the Sagar island are the mud flats/salt marshes, sandy beaches/dunes and mangroves. The foreshore sediments are characterized by silty, slightly sandy mud, slightly silty sand and silty sand.
Samples 500 m inland from high waterline are silty slightly sandy mud, and by clayey slightly sandy mud.
The extent of coastline changes are made by comparing the topographic maps of 1967 and satellite imageries of 1996, 1998 and 1999.
Between 1967 and 1999 about 29.8 km2 of the island has been eroded and the accreted area is only 6.03 km2.
Between 1996 and 1998 the area underwent erosion of 13.64 km2 while accretion was 0.48 km2. From 1998 to 1999, 3.26 km2 additional area was eroded with meager accretion.
Erosion from 1997 to 1999 was estimated at 0.74 km2 /year; however, from 1996 to 1999, the erosion rate was calculated as 5.47 km2/year.
The areas severely affected by erosion are the northeastern, southwestern and southeastern faces of the island. As a consequence of coastal erosion, the mud flats/salt marshes, sandy beaches/dunes and mangroves have been eroded considerably.
Deposition is experienced mainly on the western and southern part of the island.
The island is built primarily by silt and clay, which can more easily be eroded by the waves, tides and cyclonic activities than a sandy coast.
Historic sea level rises accompanied by land subsidence lead to differing rates of erosion at several pockets, thus periodically establishing new erosion planes.
which lead me to find
http://www.celsias.com/blog/2006/12/25/global-warming-swallows-island/
and
http://www.crisp.nus.edu.sg/~acrs2001/pdf/172HAZRA.pdf
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I suspect that, in half an hour, I have done more research/reading than the F*x N*ws team do in a day
I haven't found ANY scientific references to climate change being a factor in the Sunderbans islands
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Alfredo Posted Jan 24, 2007
I still receive a few times a year real airmail from "VANUATU".
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taliesin Posted Jan 24, 2007
>Now dispose of my disappearing Canadian winter.<
A recent study suggests the Canadian Winter Shrinkage is due to the increased amount of hot air issuing from the mouths of -- 'Canada's New Government' -- sycophants.
...
"- Getting Things Done For All of Us ..."
"Canadians want Real Action and Real Results."
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swl Posted Jan 24, 2007
The diappearing Canadian Winter could be ascribed to being directly above the USA. All that hot air generated and we know hot air rises.
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