h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

Yes, those are the words of a public statement made by U.S. Senator Tom Coburn's Chief of Staff : 'I'm a radical! I'm a real extremist. I don't want to impeach judges. I want to impale them!' http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050425&s=blumenthal

The same conference which had Senator Coburn's Chief raving like Vlad the Impaler also had a round table discussion in which Stalin's universal solution to problems (murder) was offered approvingly.

"Confronting the Judicial War on Faith" was the name of the conference.

It is very worrying.

It is a little worrying, but I'm of the opinion that these people are starting to over-reach themselves now - becoming too cocky and over confident. There's much talk in the news about Tom DeLay and his possible demise... if he goes, it'll open the flood gates and the whole thing will collapse like a house of cards. Maybe not as quickly, but it'll be like the end of the MCCarty hearings - someone will point out the stupidity of the situation. All of a sudden everyone else will wake up as if from a dream and wonder 'How the bloody hell did we let them get away with that?'

The writing is on the wall

That's McCarthy btw, not a rapper called MC Carty

We hope, Oojakapiv. We hope.

.."Judicial War on Faith"

Where can I sign up?

There are some very strange people around...

Just a question - why do most people believe that Christian = Right? Has no one ever heard of the Christian left? Believe me, it exists...

"Has no one ever heard of the Christian left? Believe me, it exists..."

1. I don't believe you, purely on general principles.

2. If there IS a "Christian left", then perhaps it ought to start getting as vocal and militant as the Christian right. Only then can Christians complain about the public perception that "Christian" = "backward anti-science right-wing Zionist scum".

H.

1) no one on this thread mentioned either 'Christian' nor 'Right' until you did, Apple. You are the only one who has made the equation you mention. Frankly, it just seems like trolling.


2) And it worked: please try not to bring the feud into my journal, Hoo.

Your wish, etc.



H.

anhaga, that trolling accusation isn't worthy of you. The phrase was in the article you linked to, so not trolling at all! I'm outta here.

There is actually a Christian left - the Unitarians, Universalists and Quakers for example - its just fairly small and not given to grabbing headlines by doing things like bombing abortion clinics or calling for the head of civil authorities. In Canada, and I believe in the UK and US as well, the society of friends ie) the Quakers, were a major component of the civil rights movement of the 1960s,the anti-Vietnam war movement and the nuclear disarmament campaign of the 1980s.
The problem is that the evangelical Christians outnumber them about 1000 to 1 and are much more organized,better funded, hungry for power, and very accustomed to using demagougery. The have a lot of friends in high places and a lot of political muscle.
And they don't like anyone who isn't just like them....

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There are left wing evangelicals and Catholics, even. In NZ very much so, and from what I have heard, in the US as well...

Where do you hear these things, Apple?


az

Well, azahar, I posted a link at least twice, to an article by one of the aforementioned left wing evangelicals, who was writing with splendid and considerable anger, about the assumption that such people as anti-Bush Christians didn't exist!

ly, it was one of the famous ignored links. One of the ones that people don't read - is it because *I* post them, or is it because there are some things people here just dont *want* to know?

Has anybody else ever noticed that you can't unsubscribe from the conversation threads attached to your own journal entries?


Frankly, I would argue that one would have to be pretty stupid to not realize that there are left-wing Christians. It's also a pretty dead-end statement to simply remark that such people exist, just as there is little point in simply saying 'there are right-wing Christians'.

My point in making my journal entry was to bring up a reminder (yet again) that there are terrifying forces at work in U.S. society.

Now (yet again) the word of warning has been buried under a defense of and debate about Christianity. Constantly reiterating the obvious (all Christians aren't like that) simply obfuscates the fact that a very large and very powerful group of Christian terrorists are like that. Christians who 'aren't like that' only aid Christians who 'are like that' by spending their energy belabouring the obvious distinction or, worse, by denying the existence of patently obvious negative versions of Christianity.

What good would come of Iraqis saying 'we're not all bomb-makers or kidnappers' or 'the bomb-makers and kidnappers aren't Iraqis' every time the subject of personal security in Iraq came up? The fact is, some Iraqis are bomb-makers or kidnappers and if personal security in Iraq is going to be improved, the discussion is going to have to begin with an admission of the truth followed rapidly by the movement to treatment of solutions.

So, let's take a moment to admit the obvious truth: there are Christians of every political, theological, sexual and cosmological pursuasion. There. It really doesn't need to be discussed -- it may be construed as a first principle.

Now, look at what this bunch of people (who happen to be Christians, but that really isn't the important detail) in the U.S. are trying to do to their country, its people and its constitution (see link in post #1). What can we do to encourage the clear thinking portion of the population of the U.S. to unite to work against these people?

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Not here you didn't. Simply referring to things you have heard somewhere doesn't make them true and referring to things you posted on some other thread doesn't make any sense at all.



az

anhaga, if you remove the journal entry from your PS then you are automatically unsubbed from the thread.

But don't go, okay?

az

Okay, I'll stay. And I'll dive right into the drift of this thread.

Here's Christianity in the U.S.:

http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?pid=2318

Alright, I know. All the Christians aren't like that. Lots of U.S. Christians are left wing. And that's not the way Christians are in the rest of the world.

So what? These are the Christians that make the laws in the U.S. These are the Christians that control the armed forces of the U.S. These are the Christians that have their collective finger on the button that launches the nuclear weapons of the U.S.

Yeah, lots of Christians in the U.S. are left wing. But the Christians that control the News, the Christians that decide whether you have a job or not, the Christians that decide whether other countries should exist or not quite happily label the left wing Christians 'communist' or, worse, 'liberals'.


Those who want to bury their heads in the sand with vacuous comments about what Christianity really is or really should be are going to be lucky in a few years if they find themselves living a miserable solitary existence On the Beach with no one around to share the discussion.

If one wants one's community of faith to be a community of martyrs -- that's just sad.

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I think that anyone who would deny that has definitely got their head buried in the sand - most unfortunately.

Though some might say they are not *real* Christians (tm). Gets back to the old question of what a Christian actually is.

Apple says that GWB isn't a true Christian. GWB says he has daily chats with God who tells him what to do.

Who are ya gonna believe?


az