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This says things are changing.
This says Kerry stood up for Mary and better than her own Mom(sad)

Kerry did not deserve venom!
He did not bring up the topic either.
Mary and Mr Cheney have brought it up. They have been quite open about it. I doubt all Republicans knew of it but there is no shame in speaking of it om the way and time he did. He was not dismissive and was very clear about his take on the topic.

I saw that on the news, it was good the way he handled it. Bush just grinned and spouted about his faith, how useful and pertinent to the issue.

It is sad how Mom Chaney took it
Some Moms are glad to accept it is a natural variation so there is no Mom blame.

The topic was brought up before between Edwards and Mr C and everything was fine.

They are trying to make something bad out of nothing bad.

It would have been better for him not to have used her name.
Risky business.

However he did so with respect and it was covered in previous debates between Edwards and Cheney. Cheney said thank-you for those kind words when the topic brought up by the moderator.

It is not a new topic.

He didn't use her name, by the look of it.

Nice to see that the reporters are taking a reasonable stance too.
Let's hope the world can learn to be as tolerant.

You are right!
I did not realise that and it is a good point.
Thanks for clarifying.

She lives in my city where there have been intensive battles over sexuality issues. We were the hate state for a few years We are near the home of focus on the family inc (which might have changed their name) They are the epitomy of the right wing fundamentalists in government.

I think that is a plus that he did not

Things seem to be split like everything else.
I have read some good opinion pieces. It has people talking about the *heart* of the issue from a family perpective at least.

The only things all the politicians have agreed on lately have not been good IMO so that may be a good thing overall! They agreed on giving Bush the power for pre-emptive strikes and the passing of the Patriot Act.

Oh gawd.

I heard a good point last week; someone quoted one of the first US presidents (forget which one, sorry,) as saying something like: "Those who would give up liberty in exchange for security, will quickly have neither," ...or "..deserve neither," or something.

It seems scarily relevant to this concept of the patriot act. Did you realise that act includes the mandate that 'anyone who violates US national or state law, is considered a terrorist' (vague quote - I'm not much good at verbatim I'm afraid).
In other words anyone who jaywalks can be considered a terrorist. Doesn't take much imagination to see someone usurping this act for their own agenda.

Yes I did on both points.
That saying escapes me but it was FDR I believe and you have the meaning right.

They have been using the Act for domestic criminal cases that they have wanted more power over investigating for decades. It is the very same law that was tried before an considered intrusive. Not until the terrosists was it ever considered an American thing to do.
They have included many aspects of international law into it as people are seeing.

They have considered drugs (but apparently not guns) to be included in terrorists activity.
They seemed to have ignored the drugs growing in the previously terrorist ridden areas that have been *helped*
I do not understand why they ignore all the poppies in the countries the US has supposedly freed up for democracy. It will never change until they have a better option. It has been said that the production is back more than ever.
So just what did we help them do?
Again

Unfortunately they have used it in other places just to have a look a round. Early on it was used on protestors. They routinely get into medical and bank records just because they can. One of the first acts was to aquire the medical records for abortions. They also investigated doctors. There is a huge database of voting records now that they needed no permissions for collecting apparently.

That may be considered fine by most for now but if things were to get much more bizarre it sure would not be. Unfortunately it may be too late to protest then

There is a link you might like under *just for the record* in my journal, post at the bottom . I meant to put it here actually