A Conversation for Money: Origins and Meanings of Words
A843969 - Money, Dinheiro, Tsian, Geld…
Dr Hell Posted Oct 12, 2002
I think so too. Maybe it's just the title.
H
A843969 - Money, Dinheiro, Tsian, Geld…
Anna Banana Posted Oct 15, 2002
Do you see, Hell, what happenes if you don´t listen to your wife. R-rr-rr. We´ll just change the title and then, I hope, the entry will be ready. Anna Banana
PS.
A843969 - Money, Dinheiro, Tsian, Geld…
Spiff Posted Oct 16, 2002
glad to see there's a whole lodda luvvin goin' on!
... but...
I still think that as a guide entry, this piece lacks focus...
I like the change of title, but i feel the content is still rather loosely strung together.
lots of info, but not presented in an informative way...
sorry to be negative, there are lots of things i like in this piece, i just think it needs more thought.
cya
spiff
A843969 - Money, Dinheiro, Tsian, Geld…
Dr Hell Posted Oct 16, 2002
I disagree, your excellency.
The etymology at that level IS loosely strung together by nautre. I think there is no more focussed way to connect all these terms.
BTW, I have seen enough stuff getting edited with a lot less info and presented in an even less informative way...
Anyhow, maybe you have a suggestion of how to increase focus?
HELL
A843969 - Money, Dinheiro, Tsian, Geld…
Spiff Posted Oct 16, 2002
Hi Hell,
sorry if i came across as autocratic. just expressing my unilateral opinion. that, after all, is what pr is all about.
i'd have given you any constructive thoughts i had above, but i'm afraid i'm not sure myself exactly what approach to take here...
my best suggestion, in fact, is to wait and see who steps up to say 'No, Spiff is talking bollards!' or 'Yes, this piece needs to be more X and Y and a little less Z!'
meanwhile, i assume that you don't think that:
"BTW, I have seen enough stuff getting edited with a lot less info and presented in an even less informative way..."
... is a strong argument for not commenting on entries that seem (to the individual reader) as if they could be improved or are 'not ready yet'?
cya
spiff
A843969 - Money, Dinheiro, Tsian, Geld…
Dr Hell Posted Oct 16, 2002
Yeah okay, maybe I exaggerated a bit. Of course that is exactly what PR is about, it would be non-sense if everybody just showed up and said 'ooh marvelous'.
My point was (more or less):
1. This is a loosely connected subject by nature.
2. There are pieces in PR with less contents and less information
I was just saying that not ALL entries have to delve into ultimative scientific details. Some of them are good enough if they just get a picture across. But that is just MHO...
I still disagree with you, I think this entry is okay as it is. That is my unilateral oppinion.
H
A843969 - Money, Dinheiro, Tsian, Geld…
Anna Banana Posted Oct 28, 2002
Dear all, there are no comments more and it´s a bit pity. Mainly because we´ve spend a lot of time researching the topic. Nevertheless I hope that somebody, besides us, has learned something new. We´ve just thougt it will be funny to see where the root of all evil is coming from. Perhaps this entry will be recommended, if not, well, it was a great experience, we´ve made.
See you in 'The evolution of the Russian language'
Yours sincerely, Anna Banana
PS. Can one also delete the first entry, so only the final version will remain in the h2g2? It´s quite misleading to find some equal entries which are the first and the final versions.
A843969 - Money, Dinheiro, Tsian, Geld…
Researcher 188007 Posted Oct 29, 2002
Spiff,
You're talking bollards mate
Well OK, not completely, but I reckon all the entry needs is a slightly longer intro, touching on barter and the evolution of money, eg that the Chinese used to use cowrie shells (still kind of shown in some of the characters), that kind of thing. That'll help tie the strings together
A843969 - Money, Dinheiro, Tsian, Geld…
Zarquon's Singing Fish! Posted Oct 29, 2002
Hi again Anna!
I thought I'd butt into this conversation again. I think the subject is a fascinating one, well worthy of the Guide, so stick with it!
I so have a comment on the title. I've been reading a rascinating book by Dorothy Rowe, who is a psychologist. I've had it out from the library to do some background research to my failed-so-far-to-get-off-the-ground university entry on credit and debt. Its title is 'The Real Meaning of Money' and it goes into the emotional meaning that money has for us as well as other meanings.
As this entry is on the origins of the words for money, perhaps the title might be changed yet again to something like:
Money: origins and meanings of words
Words for money; the literal meanings
OK, I'm sure these can be improved on, however it might tie down what the entry is about and answer some of the points made in this thread.
What do you think? Can anyone else suggest a better one?
A843969 - Money, Dinheiro, Tsian, Geld…
Anna Banana Posted Oct 29, 2002
Good evening, everybody. Thank you for the comments , I´ll re-write the intro and the title.
Dear , may I use 'Money: origins and meanings of words'? And what entry are you preparing? Can I perhaps help you? I mean, I know a bit about the financial stuff or are you going to write an entry about the moral and ethical side of possessing money?
Sincerely yours, Anna Banana (still without banana (or like my daughter is saying: manannnnn) smiley)
A843969 - Money, Dinheiro, Tsian, Geld…
Bagpuss Posted Oct 29, 2002
I like the entry. I know it sort of rambles, but that's . I'm going to go and be picky now.
There's a few things wrong with this sentence from the first paragraph after the "Money" heading:
"In these languages 'money' means 'dinero' (Spanish) or 'dinheiro' (Portuguese) which comes from the Latin word 'denarius' which was the most general currency of antiquity."
You want something like:
"In these languages, the respective words for 'money' are 'dinero' and 'dinheiro', which come from the Latin word 'denarius', which was an ancient Roman silver coin."
Next paragraph:
"The Latin influence reached as far as the Ukraine, where the designation of money is 'groshi' and originates from 'denarius grossus', which was a thicker form of the above mentioned denarius established in 1172, in Genoa. 'Groshi' are also used in Polish, Czech and German as the equivalent for tenpence or ten eurocents. In pre-Euro Austria the 'Groschen' were their equivalent for cents."
Try:
"The Latin influence reached as far as the Ukraine, where money is called 'groshi', which comes from 'denarius grossus', a thicker form of the aforementioned denarius, which originated in 1172, in Genoa. 'Groshi' also appears in Polish, Czech and German, meaning a coin worth a tenth of the main currency unit. In pre-Euro Austria there were a hundred 'Groschen' to the Schilling."
Just my suggestions, but some of the original could do with changing. It could just be me who doesn't like the term "equivalent of tenpence" of course.
A843969 - Money, Dinheiro, Tsian, Geld…
Zarquon's Singing Fish! Posted Oct 29, 2002
Of course you can, Anna!
If I ever get round to doing the University Project (and I've put it off so far because of lack of time and it seems like too much hard work for the moment), I'll link to this entry and any help you could give at that time would be very welcome.
I think that the entry that agcBen did almost covers the morals of money and I'd like to link to that as well.
I did an entry on money that I withdrew from PR as it got too difficult, which you might like to look at some time (not now). A698178
A843969 - Money, Dinheiro, Tsian, Geld…
Anna Banana Posted Nov 4, 2002
Hi Bagpuss and thank you, I changed the sentences you didn´t like and hope it is OK now.
Anna Banana
A843969 - Money, Dinheiro, Tsian, Geld…
Bagpuss Posted Nov 4, 2002
I expect it is. I'll read it over later.
To be honest, an editor could have picked those out - I just didn't have anything else to complain about.
A843969 - Money, Dinheiro, Tsian, Geld…
Monsignore Pizzafunghi Bosselese Posted Nov 5, 2002
can some Scout sell me a pick please? I need one...
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- 45: Dr Hell (Oct 16, 2002)
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- 54: Bagpuss (Oct 29, 2002)
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