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Peer Review: A893027 - Paragliding - History and brief description
I am Scowy - the one and only undisputed. Wearing "WD42 - Life" - (2+1+1+1+37) Started conversation Dec 7, 2002
Entry: Paragliding - History and brief description - A893027
Author: Iamscowy - the one and only undisputed Scowy - U211137
I know that there is already an article on Paragliding so I've broken one rule already, but I thought that the subject deserved a factual account that was more than one paragraph.
I am Scowy
A893027 - Paragliding - History and brief description
Zarniroop (er.... I'll think of something amusing to put here soon!) Posted Dec 7, 2002
wow! I wanna learn to fly!!
Excellent first guide entry scowy, Job well done and well written, u shouldn't have to wait long for this to be picked!!
spotted one typo "For those getting worried at this worried rest assured"
Also, a question I have is how similiar is it to flying power kites and is there any benfit doing this to learn techniques while keeping your feet 'mainly' on the ground?
Z
A893027 - Paragliding - History and brief description
I am Scowy - the one and only undisputed. Wearing "WD42 - Life" - (2+1+1+1+37) Posted Dec 7, 2002
Ah shucks *takes a discrete bow*.
Glad you liked it . I'll get the typo sorted .
I haven't tried power kiting but I have considered buying one for days when the wind is too strong/wrong direction for flying as the principles are the same. Basically a power kite is just a smaller version of a paraglider. The main difference as far as I know is that when flying a power kite you are facing back towards the canopy whereas in paragliding you face forwards.
Oh, and in power kiting you are meant to keep your feet on the ground. Make no mistake about it they can be very powerful machines. I read in a reputable UK newspaper about a lad who was flying one in the South East of England near Colchester who was lifted off the ground and carried about 1/4 mile across an estuary. When asked why he didn't let go he said he was too scared to.
Scowy
A893027 - Paragliding - History and brief description
Metal Chicken Posted Dec 10, 2002
Hi Scowy
Are you sure there's already an Edited Guide article on paragliding? I just did a quick search and couldn't find one so unless you know something I don't (quite possible ) then you're in the clear on that rule.
Nice article with a lot of info and I enjoyed reading it. You don't mention tandem flights which I thought was quite a common introduction to the sport. Certainly the members of the paragliding club who use my gliding club's bar were recommending the tandem experience as a good taster. And it's something I know is on offer at various hill sites around the world (UK to Slovakia to NZ).
There's a few minor typos which can be easily sorted by you or your sub-ed if/when this gets picked up for the Guide.
Your history section seemed to have a different style or feel to the rest of your article. Might have been my imagination but if you were using information you'd read elsewhere it's easy to be influenced by the original author. Still that's a minor niggle (assuming you've rewritten in your own words and not resorted to cut and paste - that could lead to problems with copyright and ownership.)
On a self-interested note, you might want to add a link to my edited article on gliding, A32578. The principle of using 'lift' that I describe there is just as relevant to you guys!
Hmmm. I seem to have written an epic posting here. Apologies
Happy flying and good luck with this
A893027 - Paragliding - History and brief description
I am Scowy - the one and only undisputed. Wearing "WD42 - Life" - (2+1+1+1+37) Posted Dec 11, 2002
Hi Metal,
There is at least one other article on paragliding but it's not an editted version. I am a bit new to h2g2 and still feeling my way around a bit.
You're right the history section was written using information from other online articles (ie more than one) but is re-written and not copy/pasted. I could possibly re-visit it and try to get a more consistent feel.
So how does the editting process work then For the suggestions you make (tandem flights, link to gliding, random typos) should I go in myself and update?
A893027 - Paragliding - History and brief description
I am Scowy - the one and only undisputed. Wearing "WD42 - Life" - (2+1+1+1+37) Posted Dec 11, 2002
Hi Metal,
There is at least one other article on paragliding but it's not an editted version. I am a bit new to h2g2 and still feeling my way around a bit.
You're right the history section was written using information from other online articles (ie more than one) but is re-written and not copy/pasted. I could possibly re-visit it and try to get a more consistent feel.
So how does the editting process work then For the suggestions you make (tandem flights, link to gliding, random typos) should I go in myself and update?
A893027 - Paragliding - History and brief description
Metal Chicken Posted Dec 11, 2002
Yup, just go ahead and edit your article to your heart's content. That's generally how this peer review thing works and you're doing pretty well so far having worked out how to create an entry and submit it for peer review.
If you want to know a bit more about how peer review works, just click on the green banner ad with the cycling fish. That'll take you to the front page for peer review full of useful information, if you've not already found that.
Normally what happens is you submit your article, it sits here for a bit while people come and comment, criticise or offer assistance. You make changes to your version until you're satisfied it's finished and then wait for one of the scouts to recommend your piece for the edited guide. Then it'll get sub-edited and eventually appear on the front page YAY!! Of course there's always the chance your article won't get picked for the edited Guide but even then it'd still be here for the world to read and turn up on searches of the site.
Hope that helps
MC
A893027 - Paragliding - History and brief description
Metal Chicken Posted Dec 11, 2002
Oops. I've just realised I gave you the wrong info for my gliding article. I should have said A325748 Must be time I went to sleep if I can't even advertise properly
A893027 - Paragliding - History and brief description
There is only one thing worse than being Gosho, and that is not being Gosho Posted Dec 11, 2002
Wow, what a great entry I've nothing but praise for it. Is it *really* your first?
I wouldn't worry too much about the other two paragliding entries - neither of them are in the edited section, both of them are by written by researchers who haven't posted anything on h2g2 for a long time and can therefore be considered AWOL, and one is a personal account which wouldn't be eligible for Peer Review anyway without much re-writing.
I see little in the way of this entry's flight straight to the front page
A893027 - Paragliding - History and brief description
Stuart Posted Dec 11, 2002
I agree it is a very good article and is definately EG material.
However, just one observation. Pulling on the front risers wont necessarily reduce your sink rate, it will most likely increase it as air spills out of the back of the canopy. But it will increase your forward speed - just like pushing the stick forward in an aircraft. However, if you do it carefully and the wind is right, the increase in forward speed might counteract the reduction in lift. You wouldn’t pull on the front risers just before touch down to give yourself a softer landing. That’s the quickest way I know of a giving yourself a couple of broken legs.
Pulling on the back risers will reduce your sink rate, but it will also decrease your forward speed. The problem with that is if you pull to hard you will stall the canopy and sink faster then you ever intended - just like pulling the stick back on an aircraft.
Stuart.
A893027 - Paragliding - History and brief description
I am Scowy - the one and only undisputed. Wearing "WD42 - Life" - (2+1+1+1+37) Posted Dec 11, 2002
Thanks Gosho what I can I say . It really is my first article for the guide I've wanted to be a writer for some time but working as a seismic data processor (watch this space for next article) doesn't provide much of an outlet
Stuart, I've gone back to the original article and you are correct in observations regarding pulling the front risers. The original wording was "Take offs were into as high a wind as possible and if you could not get forward you pulled the front risers down to your chest, no speed bar, no big ears, no B line, just lots of fun and muscle power." which I'm afraid got completely confused in my translation Will rewrite so that it makes more sense. Well done for spotting the technical error
A893027 - Paragliding - History and brief description
I am Scowy - the one and only undisputed. Wearing "WD42 - Life" - (2+1+1+1+37) Posted Dec 12, 2002
Metal,
Have updated with description of tandem flight - if you have any other comments on this I would welcome feedback as I didn't experience a tandem flight during my training (although have had a tandem flight since). But I see from your space that you fly those slightly bigger things that I try to keep well clear of. One of my regular sites Parlick regularly has busy skies with model airplanes, paragliders, gliders and occasionally hang gliders in the air.
I have also added a link to your gliding article I now seem to have an awful lot of footnotes though....
A893027 - Paragliding - History and brief description
Stuart Posted Dec 12, 2002
I wouldnt worry to much about the footnotes Scowy. Six is not an unreasonale number and they are relevant. There are articles with footnotes that fill the whole screen. Now that does get confusing.
You might like to add a little something to the effect that the original ram-air canopies as they are called that para-gliders and sports parachutists use were originally designed by NASA. It was part of the reaserch in the 1970s for a re-usable spacecraft and they experimented with inflatable airfoils to bring the space craft back to earth. Modern sports parachutes are descended from this reasearch. They abandoned the idea of an inflatable airfoil and opted for a rigid airfoil which became known as the Space Shuttle.
Stuart
A893027 - Paragliding - History and brief description
PQ Posted Dec 12, 2002
My main gripe with paragliding is the misuse of the word...ie people using it to refer to parascending (being dragged along under a bog standard parachute by a boat or similar - an activity that most people do with unqualified instructors and no insurance )
PQ (firmly grounded but capable of putting a hang glider or a paragliding buggy together...the things I do for love)
A893027 - Paragliding - History and brief description
I am Scowy - the one and only undisputed. Wearing "WD42 - Life" - (2+1+1+1+37) Posted Dec 13, 2002
I do agree that there's nothing more annoying than people who talk to you excitedly about free-flying but who still can't distinguish between parascending and paragliding or even worse start getting paragliding and hanggliding mixed up.
The idea of the article though, as much as anything is to increase awareness of the sport so that hopefully fewer and fewer people make those kind of mistakes.
A893027 - Paragliding - History and brief description
I am Scowy - the one and only undisputed. Wearing "WD42 - Life" - (2+1+1+1+37) Posted Dec 17, 2002
There's a couple of updates based upon people's comments that I keep meaning to getting around to doing. But thanks for the continued recommendations.
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Peer Review: A893027 - Paragliding - History and brief description
- 1: I am Scowy - the one and only undisputed. Wearing "WD42 - Life" - (2+1+1+1+37) (Dec 7, 2002)
- 2: Zarniroop (er.... I'll think of something amusing to put here soon!) (Dec 7, 2002)
- 3: I am Scowy - the one and only undisputed. Wearing "WD42 - Life" - (2+1+1+1+37) (Dec 7, 2002)
- 4: Metal Chicken (Dec 10, 2002)
- 5: I am Scowy - the one and only undisputed. Wearing "WD42 - Life" - (2+1+1+1+37) (Dec 11, 2002)
- 6: I am Scowy - the one and only undisputed. Wearing "WD42 - Life" - (2+1+1+1+37) (Dec 11, 2002)
- 7: Metal Chicken (Dec 11, 2002)
- 8: Metal Chicken (Dec 11, 2002)
- 9: There is only one thing worse than being Gosho, and that is not being Gosho (Dec 11, 2002)
- 10: Stuart (Dec 11, 2002)
- 11: I am Scowy - the one and only undisputed. Wearing "WD42 - Life" - (2+1+1+1+37) (Dec 11, 2002)
- 12: I am Scowy - the one and only undisputed. Wearing "WD42 - Life" - (2+1+1+1+37) (Dec 12, 2002)
- 13: Stuart (Dec 12, 2002)
- 14: PQ (Dec 12, 2002)
- 15: I am Scowy - the one and only undisputed. Wearing "WD42 - Life" - (2+1+1+1+37) (Dec 13, 2002)
- 16: Dr Hell (Dec 17, 2002)
- 17: I am Scowy - the one and only undisputed. Wearing "WD42 - Life" - (2+1+1+1+37) (Dec 17, 2002)
- 18: Sam (Dec 18, 2002)
- 19: h2g2 auto-messages (Dec 18, 2002)
- 20: Dr Hell (Dec 18, 2002)
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