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Post 21

Walter of Colne

Hi High Priest,

Yes, but I really did like it. Take care,

Walter.


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Post 22

Lord Preston

hi walter,
glad u liked the article, just thought i'd like to point out that i submitted this entry about 6 months ago and i still haven't got a reply from the editers yet.
so i'm a bit peeved.
HPoG


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Post 23

Walter of Colne

Gooday your elevated worshipfulness,

I don't know much about the 'editing' guidelines, but six months does seem an awfully long time. Have you asked someone why it is taking so long, like posting a question to one of those 'Ask h2g2' or 'tell h2g2' buttons at the top of your home page? I thought the article was right up there, every bit as good as the ones that come down each day that have been given the 'edited entry' status. So good luck with it cobber, and I look forward to seeing it come up soon on the 'today's entries' list.

Walter


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Post 24

Lord Preston

thanx for the surport walter,
i did ask and they just said that they had alot to go through so i just had to wait.
HPoG


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Post 25

Marvin the (forgetful, paranoid, and lazy) Robot who is a member of the ASL, the MTPAFC (or what ever it was called before it be

thats got to be anoying


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Post 26

Lord Preston

Yeah,
but now i've asked so many times that one of the editors say the'll look at it on monday, hopefully they will sort it out.
HPoG


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Post 27

Jimi X

Just guessing, I'd have to say that this was one of the last entries in the old queue system. You couldn't have submitted it before June 30, so at most it's been in the system for four months - which isn't great, but within the parameters of the old system.

I also noticed that you've updated it since you submitted it. That was one of the major problems with the old system - changes after a Subeditor received the entry to work on. Hopefully, one of the editors caught your changes and forwarded them to the Sub. Otherwise, the Sub will be working off an older version.

That's what makes the Peer Review system so attractive - you put the entry on the Peer Review Page and the community can offer input and you'll be able to inform the community that you've made changes before it heads out to the Subs.

I'm sure Abi will take care of things in the morning, but from a quick glance that's my educated guess as to what's going on with this entry.
smiley - smiley

- X


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Post 28

Marvin the (forgetful, paranoid, and lazy) Robot who is a member of the ASL, the MTPAFC (or what ever it was called before it be

know anything about WW II, I have a test tomarow morning, anything would he helpful, thanks!


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Post 29

Jimi X

World War II is a pretty big topic, what specifically do/did you need to know?


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Marvin the (forgetful, paranoid, and lazy) Robot who is a member of the ASL, the MTPAFC (or what ever it was called before it be

its alright, I had the test already, but thanks, I think i did pretty well, where exactly was the Battle of the Bulge thouhg


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Post 31

Walter of Colne

Hi Marvin,

Not where WAS the battle of the bulge, where IS it. Around my midriff, cobber, that's where the battle of the bulge is being fought - and lost!!

Hope the exam went okay for you anyway.

Walter


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Post 32

Marvin the (forgetful, paranoid, and lazy) Robot who is a member of the ASL, the MTPAFC (or what ever it was called before it be

thats not quite the answeer I was looking for, but thanks anyway smiley - fish!


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Post 33

Lord Preston

sorry i missed the test marvin but i can tell u bout the battle of bulge if u so wish, i may ramble on a bit, or i may not say much at all - we'll just have to see, ok i'm asking my brain the question now
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- Accessing -
Ok, my brain told me that for a map of the battle go to this page,
http://www.euronet.nl/users/wilfried/ww2/bulg.htm
- WARING INFOMATION OVERLOAD -

- Infomation discharge -

A quick summery.
By the autumn of 1944 the allied armies had already become very extended in their push across Europe. Montgomery was trying to swing up through Holland and cross the Rhine at Arnhem - immortalised in 'A Bridge Too Far' - while Patton and his 3rd Army were thrusting along the southern borders of Belgium heading for Germany via the Saarland and on to Berlin along this more southerly route. For the allies the Ardennes front had become a backwater for exhausted regiments who had a chance to regroup and be reinforced with fresh soldiers, many of them direct from recruit camps.


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German Strategy. . .
The object of the German offensive was to push through the Belgian Ardennes, cross the Meuse, retake Antwerp and its harbour facilities, thrust to the north and reach the sea.
This would cut off the Allied troops in Holland and Belgium, making it impossible for them to withdraw. the success of the operation depended on three factors, the speed of the initial breakthrough, the seizure of Allied fuel supplies and communications centres between St.Vith and Bastogne, and the widening of the breach in the Allied lines to allow German troops to pour into Belgium.
There would be three armies the 15th Army in the North, 7th Army in the South and the main thrust by Sepp Dietrich's 6th and von Manteuffel's 7th Panzer Divisions in the centre!
Specially trained German soldiers who spoke English fluently were infiltrated behind the Allied lines wearing American uniforms with orders to disrupt the deployment of Allied units and prepare the way for the German advance.
The crucial problem for the German was their lack of fuel and the whole 'adventure' depended on their initial thrust capturing the allied supplies.

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Allied Dispositions. . .
As stated above the Allied troops were 'resting' and reforming; they consisted of General Simpson's 9th Army and General Hodges 1st US Army in the north and General Patton's 3rd Army to the south. The Ardennes was held by General Middleton who had the 8th US Army Corps, 106th and 26th Infantry Divisions and 4th and 9th Armoured Divisions.

The Battle.

Day 1. (Saturday, March 20).
Arrive at Brussels airport make way to your hotel and register. Meet your tour director for cocktails before dinner at the hotel. After dinner discuss the background to the tour.

Day 2. (Sunday, March 21).
Leave Brussels this morning for the "Field of Waterloo". Here you will have a chance to view the the site of the battle and also visit the museums on the battlefield as well as the Headquarters of the Duke of Wellington. In the afternoon a visit to the enchanting gardens of Annevoie. Continue on to Namur for an overnight stay at the 'Chateau de Namur Hotel' high on its hill overlooking the city.

Day 3. (Monday, March 22).
Leave Namur this morning for Dinant, the farthest point of the German advance and the nearest they got to the River Meuse crossing. Continue on by way of Ciney where the U.S. 2nd Armoured Division was assembling to screen the Meuse and stop the German advance. Lunch is a buffet lunch at Modave with a visit to the castle which was occupied by American units during the battle. Continue on to Liege. Drive to the hotel in Spa where you will be staying for the next few days. Dinner is at the hotel.

Day 4. (Tuesday, March 23).
Leave this morning by way of Chaudefontaine (HQ of General Hodges, 1st US Army) for Henri Chapelle US Military Cemetery where 7,989 US soldiers rest in peace. On to Eupen and then to Monschau via Rocherath and Wahlensheid. Continue through Hertogenwald - the 'Green Hell of Hurtgen' where American, British, Canadian and German troops lived and fought face to face and foxhole to foxhole for several months in what all the experts agree was the most unnecessary battle of the war. Finally there will be a chance to see surviving 'dragons teeth' of the Siegfied Line before returning to Spa and the hotel. Dinner is on your own tonight.

Day 5. (Wednesday, March 24).
Today visit La Gleize and its Battle of the Bulge Museum, Francorchamps, Burnenville, Stavelot, Malmedy and Trois-Ponts. After lunch return by way of the valley of the River Amblève, Quareux and Remouchamps. The rest of the day is free before dinner at a restaurant near Spa.

Day 6. (Thursday, March 25).
Leave for Bastogne. Visit the Mardasson Memorial and the Bastogne Historical Centre (Museum of the Battle of Bastogne). Stop for lunch, and a walk through the town, in Bastogne and then drive on to La Roche-en-Ardenne, a town almost destroyed by Allied aircraft in the battle. There is a superb little Battle museum created and run by a local family. Finally on to Bande where the tragedy of the village is commemorated. Return to Spa and dinner at the hotel.

Day 7. (Friday, March 26).
Leave Spa this morning to drive south stopping at St.Vith. this was the first town captured and the last liberated during the battle. It was under german control for exactly one month. from st Vith continue on to Heinersheid and the 'Skyline Drive' -the ridge road running parallel to the River Our where Manteuffel's Fifth Panzer Army faced the Americans. Then on to Luxembourg and the Parc Hotel. Dinner is at the hotel this evening.

Day 8. (Saturday, March 27)
Visits today to Ettlebruck and Diekirck, the southern flank of the attack. At Ettlebruck there is a bronze statue of General Patton in typical costume with a information board listing the combatants in the battle, while at Diekirck is what I consider one of the two best battle museums. As with the one at La Roche it was set up by local resistance fighters and has been lovingly developed by them and their families. Many Americans who visit it are so impressed that they present artifacts and treasures of the Battle preserved by them and their families to the Museum. Lunch will be at the Parc Hotel (NOT our hotel but the Diekirck one)This is followed by an afternoon visit to the American Military Cemetery in Luxembourg City where, besides the many soldiers buried here, there is also the grave and memorial to General Patton. The rest of the day is free.

Day 9. (Sunday, March 28).
Return to Brussels by way of Arlon and Bouillon, with its magnificent castle. Dinner will be at the hotel.

Day 10. (Monday, March 29).
Today is your final day and a free day in Brussels ending with a farewell dinner at one of the local chateau-restaurants.

Day 11. (Tuesday, March 30).
After breakfast leave for the airport and your return home.



Geeze, i didn't know my brain knew so much, i bet u won't even read this but this is a short summery of the battle and a little backgound as well. u should of been taught this already!


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Marvin the (forgetful, paranoid, and lazy) Robot who is a member of the ASL, the MTPAFC (or what ever it was called before it be

thanks, that was a bit more then I needed, but it did answeer my question
Did you ever see the movie THE BATTLE OF THE BULGE? its also a book


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Post 35

Lord Preston

no, i haven't heard of the film or the book. But they say u learn something new everyday. today i learn't that they made a film of the battle of bulge, yesterday i learn't how to speak without farting - isn't life great!
HPoG


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Marvin the (forgetful, paranoid, and lazy) Robot who is a member of the ASL, the MTPAFC (or what ever it was called before it be

glad you're learning so much new stuff.....
its relitivily easy to speak without farting, fyi


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Post 37

Lord Preston

it may be easy for you but i always talk out my ass (so i'm told) any way i like to think farting as an art, so i do it a lot.
HPoG


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Post 38

Marvin the (forgetful, paranoid, and lazy) Robot who is a member of the ASL, the MTPAFC (or what ever it was called before it be

shall we use the more gentell term "breaking wind" instead?


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