Three Popes or the Great Schism
Created | Updated Oct 25, 2003
Waz directed me to this entry. Unfortunately I have had great problems getting back to this web site and have been forced to return with a new name "SmilingAlsoRan1 "U 516677, My old name was Also Ran1 U 186829.
I am fascinated by this entry as we are purported to have TWO Popes in the family Gregory XI and Clement VII.
They were on my mother's side of the family and my father used to make my Catholic conscience cringe when he used to laugh about them and call them Father and Son!!.
I intend to send the entry which I have duplicated to my eldest brother who lives in Canada and who has traced quite a bit of the family genealogy. If we can discover that the relationship is indeed a "real" one I shall let you know.
In the meantime I am also fascinated because. as a member of a Secular Franciscan Order, Saint Francis of Assisi was fighting a stirling battle against the excesses of the Popes in Rome. However he followed the principle of leading by example and hence adopted very excessive ways of living in the sense that he practically starved himself,scourged himself, and certainly never wanted to be ordained as a priest as he was fearful that he would also be tarred with the brush of wanting to benefit from the system of doing God's work for pecuniary gain.(In the form of beind paid for granting indulgences) St. Francis died in 1326 and immediately the Pope in Rome decided to build a great Basilica in Assisi. At that time, according to this article there were at least two Popes going - one in Rome and one in Avignon. As my parents are French I presume that nwe must be "related" to the French side f the "schism"
I remember that when I went to visit the mausoleums of the Popes in St. Peter's Rome, I proudly told the "guide" that a relation of mine had brought the Holy See back to Rome. The guide was singularly unimpressed and hurried on with the tour. I now understand why.!!!
In Westminister Cathedral in Victoria Street, London all the names of the Popes are engraved and I was very pleased to see the names of both Gregory the XII and Clement VII inscribed on the brass tablet. I believe that they were uncle and nephew - not father and son!!.It still seems to be a form of hegemony!!.
Perhaps that is one of the reasons why the Rule of St. Francis is so difficult to follow in our present day. If anyone is interested it is absolutely riveting to read his Story of Lady Poverty which appears in the Omnibus - the collected work of all of St. Francis and his companions.
Anyway, thank you Waz for bringing this to my notice. And thank you the underguide which I hope to be able to access more easily than at present.
Also ran1 <schooloffish>
aka
Smiling AlsoRan1 <schooloffish>
I am fascinated by this entry as we are purported to have TWO Popes in the family Gregory XI and Clement VII.
They were on my mother's side of the family and my father used to make my Catholic conscience cringe when he used to laugh about them and call them Father and Son!!.
I intend to send the entry which I have duplicated to my eldest brother who lives in Canada and who has traced quite a bit of the family genealogy. If we can discover that the relationship is indeed a "real" one I shall let you know.
In the meantime I am also fascinated because. as a member of a Secular Franciscan Order, Saint Francis of Assisi was fighting a stirling battle against the excesses of the Popes in Rome. However he followed the principle of leading by example and hence adopted very excessive ways of living in the sense that he practically starved himself,scourged himself, and certainly never wanted to be ordained as a priest as he was fearful that he would also be tarred with the brush of wanting to benefit from the system of doing God's work for pecuniary gain.(In the form of beind paid for granting indulgences) St. Francis died in 1326 and immediately the Pope in Rome decided to build a great Basilica in Assisi. At that time, according to this article there were at least two Popes going - one in Rome and one in Avignon. As my parents are French I presume that nwe must be "related" to the French side f the "schism"
I remember that when I went to visit the mausoleums of the Popes in St. Peter's Rome, I proudly told the "guide" that a relation of mine had brought the Holy See back to Rome. The guide was singularly unimpressed and hurried on with the tour. I now understand why.!!!
In Westminister Cathedral in Victoria Street, London all the names of the Popes are engraved and I was very pleased to see the names of both Gregory the XII and Clement VII inscribed on the brass tablet. I believe that they were uncle and nephew - not father and son!!.It still seems to be a form of hegemony!!.
Perhaps that is one of the reasons why the Rule of St. Francis is so difficult to follow in our present day. If anyone is interested it is absolutely riveting to read his Story of Lady Poverty which appears in the Omnibus - the collected work of all of St. Francis and his companions.
Anyway, thank you Waz for bringing this to my notice. And thank you the underguide which I hope to be able to access more easily than at present.
Also ran1 <schooloffish>
aka
Smiling AlsoRan1 <schooloffish>
